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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (24396)4/10/2002 5:53:37 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Nadine Carroll; Re: "Carl, this is just silly. Because Time runs a piece on suicide bombers, that means American sympathies are turning away from Israel?"

No, because Time runs a sympathetic article on suicide bombers that means that American sympathies are turning away from Israel. What I wrote: "Time Magazine publishes a rather sympathetic look at suicide bombers:"

Re: "Time ran a piece on Andrea Yates too, does that mean Americans now approve of drowning one's children?" Are you so bereft of argument that you have to delve this low? The sympathetic treatment was obvious. You are unable to deny it, so you make up strawman arguments. They aren't effective.

Let me point something out to you. Everyone here is quoting numerous articles from the editorial pages of various high brow periodicals. Time magazine sells more copies than all those other periodicals together. And issues of Time typically get read by multiple people, especially the cover articles. It's the largest weekly news magazine in the United States. They have a 47% share of the newsmagazine category with 4,062,362 copies. By comparison, the New York Times, with the highest circulation of any seven-day US newspaper, is only 1,159,954:

time-planner.com
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Now do you know what Time's latest headline is? Take a look:

The Minefield Awaiting Powell
By degrading Palestinian security capability, Israel's offensive has diminished prospects for a cease-fire.
Tony Karon, Time Magazine, April 10, 2002
...
The fact that the U.S. is now drawing a close link between a cease-fire and political negotiations over Palestinian statehood may have created more of an incentive for Arafat to embrace a deal.

Still, the legacy of "Operation Defensive Wall" will almost certainly make implementing a truce even harder for Arafat. The operation appears to have systematically targeted the security structures of the Palestinian Authority, and left them badly degraded. But it is those very structures that will be needed to police Palestinian militants after a cease-fire.
...

time.com

Events continue to play out the way I've been saying for the past 6 months. A relatively easy war in Afghanistan (e.g. Nov 8, 2001, #reply-16625987 ), no full scale US war against Iraq (e.g. #reply-16916317 ) and that the Intifada was succeeding in its long term plan to economically damage Israel and separate them from US support. (e.g. January 1, 2002, "As for the war that the Palestinians are waging, my analysis is that they are winning." #reply-16848740 , #reply-16851302 "It's very easy to get another nation to cheer you on, and towards Israel is largely where US sympathies lie. But as you've noted, those sympathies are changing." #reply-16855458 )

By the way, back then I asked you "Do you have another example of a small minority population, inside of a huge majority population, where the minority was able to retain control of a disputed government in the face of the majority? If you do, maybe how they were able to do it would indicate how Israel could survive long time. I can't think of any examples." #reply-16855458 I never got a response from you. So where's this example of a nation that succeeded in pulling off what Israel is trying to do. Or do you think, along, I suppose, with the extreme right, that G_d going to save you?

By the way, it's kind of funny that back in January you were saying that "We are going to go to war in Iraq this year to reacquire some respect in the Middle East. When we do, we will be able to count on Israel as a powerful ally that actually acts like an ally, as opposed to the State Department's perennial favorite, Saudi Arabia." #reply-16916078 . It's now pretty clear that you were wrong about war with Iraq. And about that lack of respect. Is a good example of it the fact that Israel, our purported big time ally, won't listen to us, and instead pursues a policy directly in conflict with our own?

-- Carl