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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (646)	4/10/2002 11:20:17 PM
From: Jerome	Respond to of 786

Jacob... in your estimation how did Arafat go from being the forgotten Arab a few months back to being the "go to person" in the new round of talks by our Secretary of State? Arafat was ignored by Cheney just a week ago, Bush didn't want to deal with him. This has to be a great misstep by the Israeli's. Heck six weeks ago they were debating how to kill him. I wonder if the Israeli's had any idea how their humiliation of Arafat would work against them? There is a lesson to be learned here....If the Americans go to any great lengths to humiliate Sadaam, then he too may become too important to topple. We all miss the good old days when the CIA and the KBG too care of those unsavory troublesome characters. JMO

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (646)	4/11/2002 8:34:37 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 786

Jacob, (this is a long disjointed one) Three days ago commuting to work all traffic came to a crawl at the tunnell i was going thru. When the bus i was in got to the police checkpoint he had the driver open the doors and told him to drive in both lines and lead the next convoy thru and go fast. Obviously there was a threat, and as we drove thru the tunnell those of us who were awake silently prayed. Its a downtown bus so many of us had already been traumatized by 9/11 events. I tell you this because Hamas/Hebollah may make the tactical decision to do suicides in the US to dislodge US support for Israel. As an American Jew who is old enough to have been around holocaust survivors back in the early 50's, they talked about being secure and accepted in Germany. The Jewish people have two great fears: one that israel and our fellow jews will be destroyed and two; the US will cease to be our second homeland. I have been fighting Jerome on these boards for years but deep down I know that his pro-arab stance has to do with an anti-semitism that he acquired at a young age. I continue to chat with him because i dont think he knows and deep down i believe he is a good person. So part of me wants the US to back ISrael 100% but the other part fears that the Palestinian brand of barbaric terror will be unleashed here. In Tunisia today a temple was bombed. France has become increasingly pro-arab not only because of oil or a sense of fair play but because they have 6-1 population stats arab vs jews. In the US numbres of moslems have increased, the left is anti-west/anti israel, and the american people may succumb one day to the Pat Buchanan notion and lessen support for israel to stop strap on bombings. With these dark underpinning to my thoughts i wlways look for a pie in the sky good outcome so maybe Powell will somehow wangle an in-place cease fire with israel forces in the west bank but not in the cities. Cease fires are a dime a dozen so this might be the best case scenario. Both arafat and sharon need to kiss up to US a little. If there is to be peace and a palestinian state the only way i can see it happening is quickly with huge US guarantees of money, and US/Nato troops(risky business) on the borders. Going back to negotiations between Israel and PA is futile. World needs to impose a solution there and the world never has succeeded at that i am afraid. mike