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To: Jerome who wrote (651)	4/11/2002 10:47:19 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 786

will answer point by point in caps Mike...for the most part I'm a student of history. I'd rather read a couple of history books more than any other activity. Every thing Israel is doing now and is going to do in the next few months has already been played out a dozen times in history with other countries at other times. From a historical standpoint Israel is playing their hand very poorly. The US is also playing a poor hand. Look what Israel has done so far. 1) They have unified all the Arab states against them and the the US. The last time that happened was when Nassar was ruler of Egypt and he tried to form a Pan Arab League (1958?). Now the Arab states are just as fractuous as American political parties in the US. Now for the first time in 60 years they are united in opinion and opposition to Israel. Sharon and Netanyahu need a public opinion advisor that will tell them that if you do such and such the public opinion of the world will be such and such. ARAB UNITY IS AN ILLUSION--COMES AND GOES 2) It was outright stupid of Israel to try and humiliate Arafat. Now they are going to have to eat crow and deal with him like it or not. YOU ARE RIGHT THEY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE EXILED HIM OR NOT DONE WHAT THEY DID--IF SHARON WAS NOT IN A COALITION ARAFAT WOULD BE OUT 3) Since Hamas is the group claiming responsibility for the attacks on Israel, why is not the Israeli emphasis more in this area. IF THAT WERE THE CASE YOU ARE RIGHT BUT THE MAJORITY OF SUICIDES IS FROM TWO FATAH GROUPS. AND THE ISRAELIS MAY HAVE SOME DOCUMENTED PA PAYMENTS TO THESE TWO GROUPS. 3) Arafat and Sharon both have too much blood on their hands to be the new leaders of Palestine in the future. I HOPE YOU MEAN PALESTINE AND ISRAEL. LEAVING OUT ISRAEL IN SUCH DISCUSSION IS OFTEN CODE. The Jewish settlements in Palestine are a piece of land that Israel will have to walk away from. History is not on the Israeli side. AGREED. BELIEVE WEST BANK SETTLEMENTS WERE INITIALLY USED BY LABOUR TO PROD PALS AND ARAB STATES TO NEGOTIATONS BACK IN 67. Its not a matter of Europe turning anti-Israel and pro Arab as you suggest. Its more of a case of understanding how things will play out based on historical comparisons. SO IN FRANCE TODAY JEWISH KIDS ATTACKED ON THE WAY TO SCHOOL AND SEVEN SYNAGOGUES ATTACKED IN THE LAST WEEK. IN TUNISIA 2 DEAD IN AN ATTACK ON A TEMPLE. Israel on the West Bank has got the wrong objectives and the wrong policies in place. If you consider that opinion as being anti-semetic...so be it .NO THAT OPINION IS NOT ANTI-SEMETIC AND I DONT ACCUSE YOU OF THAT--IT JUST SEEMS THAT YOUR ARGUMENTS ON THIS TOPIC WHICH GO BACK TO 9/11 AND EARLIER ARE BASED ON A PATTERN OF THINKING(NOT EXPRESSED IN ABOVE POST) THAT MAKE ME WORRY. THERE ARE MANY PREJUDICES I CARRY FROM MY CHILDHOOD AS WELL AND SOMETIMES THEY COME OUT EVEN THOUGHT I DONT BELIEVE THEM--THEY JUST SORT OF GET STUCK ON.