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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: LTK007 who wrote (2281)	4/13/2002 1:28:41 PM
From: E. T.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 32591

Life in PA land stinks, no doubt about it. But Israel vacated settlements and gave up land for peace with Egypt and Jordan, with no terror, so what's the problem with the PA, what's wrong with a little dialogue to get what you want. Doesn't Arafat show bad faith by using suicide bombers when, in fact, he renounced violence by signing the Oslo Accord. Also, didn't Arafat show bad faith by never letting the hate rhetoric abate after signing the Oslo accord, I mean he acts like he doesn't want peace. Listen, I know about the zealots on the Israeli side, but there is also a large constituency in Israel that can see its way to a negotiated peace, Arafat should have seized on that.

To: LTK007 who wrote (2281)	4/13/2002 1:35:05 PM
From: LTK007	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32591

BTW, via the Dan Rather interview yesterday Sharon revealed HIS plan for the future, o it is a beaut. To destroy the "terrorist infrastructure" , PUT IN POWER those Sharon selects( sounds like a Vichy Government he wants) and THEN, after TEN YEARS of Re-Education of the Palestinians he would then CONSIDER statehood for Palestine. If one thinks that is good, i despair of you.

To: LTK007 who wrote (2281)	4/14/2002 9:27:24 AM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 32591

I don't disagree with you that extremists on both sides exist. I am just discussing the real politiks of the situation. Those Jewish extremists would have nowhere to settle, but within the Jewish state, once the boundaries of such a state are agreed upon. My point is very simple, it is in the interest of the Palestinians to accept a fair deal as fast as possible, because the play of their extremists is self defeating, the longer those Islamic extremists keep the homicide bombing going, and that fantasy of an Islamic Palestine from the "Jordan to the sea" the more entrenched the Jewish extremists will be in their new settlements, and the closer will the extremist Jews be to achieving their goal of an Israel from the "Jordan to the sea". For instance, the European financed at the time a group of nice apartments to move refugees out of their shantee towns, but Arafat (and not Hamas), issued an edict that whomever moves into those apartments will be executed (some were, without trial, just as they execute their own "Peacniks" under the guise that if they believe in a two states solutions, they are, of course, collaborators with Israel). That was stupid and played into the hands of the Jewish extremists Similarly, the PA destroyed a development park with light industry which production was targeted to be exported to Europe, to start a nucleus of industrial development in Gaza, it was destroyed by the PA. That also was playing into the hands of the Jewish extremists. My point is that the Islamic extremists are going to lose to the Jewish extremists if they continue with their current negative and self defeating approach. It seems that the Jewish extremists, with their "positive" approach of actual settling, without using human bombs in the Casbas of Jenin and Nablus will displace more Palestinians then the Palestinians extremists can kill with their human bombs. The longer the leadership of the Palestinians refuses to recognize these "facts" in the area, the lesser the foot print of their future state will be. The Palestinians are going to run a real risk of never having a state of their own. But they believe that "time is on their side". They are wrong, time is not on their side. Sadat recognized the need for a rapid settlement of the war with Israel, if he wants to regain the territories he lost in his aggressive wars against Israel. If a sizeable part of the population is born in those settlements, rooting them out becomes more and more difficult, suddenly, they "acquire" birth rights (just as many Palestinians have birth rights where they are) to stay where they are. Thus Saddat, rushed ahead of such facts being created in the field and signed a peace agreement. Yamit and other settlements in Northern Sinai, could still be evacutaed without an uproar that the "humanitarian rights of people born and raised" there are being "violated". Leibowitz (and I had the honor of sitting in his classes), a mental giant, was right in his prophesy, occupation is destructive to the Jewish "mantra". But the extremists view this in a slightly different way, I believe. From their point of view (the "formation" of a greater Israel on the "promised land" ) is more important that the "temporary" moral wounds inflicted on the Jewish Psyche in the process, wounds they believe time can heal, and they can easily rationalize this as being a "generation on the way". Like Islamist fundamentalists that distort Kuran passages to "morally" justifying the murder of innocent and non combatants, they can cite biblical passages supporting their actions. They consider themselves as a "generation in transit", just like the Israelite generation that left Egypt 3000 years before them, all of which was destroyed during the 40 years trek in the desert. As long as the Palestinian leadership acquiesces with Islamic extremists having as their long range goal an Islamic Palestine "from the Jordan to the Sea", no Israeli Government could grant them a state which will simply serve as a base for these extremists to accomplish their long range plan. The Palestinian leadership should take a page from Israel's short history and handle its extremists the same way Ben Gurion handled the factions in Israel that supported the "Greater Israel" concept (on both sides of the Jordan) in 1949, disarm them, by force if necessary. One of those disarmed leaders ended up signing a peace treaty with Egypt (Menachem begin). Look at the results of the fanatic human bombs, 18 months ago, there was a strong and vibrant peace movement in Israel, a majority was ready to grant major concessions in the "land for peace" deal. Today, even some of the more ardent "peacniks" in Israel have thrown in the towel and declared Arafat unfit as a peace partner. Zeev