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To: hmaly who wrote (144926)	4/14/2002 12:40:19 PM
From: SilentZ	Respond to of 1573221

>I don't know how to say this. Please don't take this the wrong way. But you are trivializing Israel's right to defend itself right now, by connecting these attacks in any way to the holocost. Albert was being sarcastic- Ted was doing the connecting, and Albert was ribbing him for it. >Israel settled on the land in Moses time, lost the land in wars with the Philistinians, Romans Turks; and reclaimed the land from the British. A bit off with the history... the earliest back it can be proven they had it was at the time when the guy who in the Bible is King David's grandson ruled it, in the 700s BC... of course, I don't take biblical history as proof. Also, the Judeans/Israelis kicked the Philistines' ass and never lost to them. The history of the rule of the land was: Canaanite tribes (from which the Israelites and Judeans emerged) ---> Judeans and Israelites (there's a difference, the Judeans are the ancestors of today's Jews, no one's really sure what came of the Israelites)---> Judeans and Assyrians (the Assyrians exlied the Israelites) --> Babylonians (who defeated the Assyrians in the 600s BC and exiled the Judeans in 586 BC)---> the Persians (defeated the Babylonians in the 400s BC)----> the Judeans/Jews (given the land back by the Persian king Cyrus in the 400s BC)---> the Greeks (who took it from the Judeans in the 200s BC, I think under Alexander the Great)---> the Jews (who took it back in the 100s BC)---> the Romans (who took it from the Jews in the 00s BC and then exiled the Jews in 70 AD)---> the Byzantines (who took it over after the fall of the Roman Empire) ---> the Ottoman Turks, the Arabs, the Catholic Church back and forth over a few hundred years around the time of the Crusades---> and back to the Ottoman Turks from something like the 1300s AD until 1917 ---> the British (who claimed it after the Ottomans fell in WWI---> the Israelis. That doesn't affect your main point at all, I just wanted to straighten that out. -Z

To: hmaly who wrote (144926)	4/14/2002 5:45:17 PM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1573221

hmaly re: Israel doesn't need the Holocost to justify its response against Palestine's attacks. you missed the point, I'd rather leave holocost out of the discussion if I would not read constant comparisons from Ted. He went as far as saying that palestininans get it worse re: Israel doesn't need the Holocost to justify its right to an existence. well, actually that was one of the main reasons for creation of Israel re: The Palestinions didn't move into Israel in great numbers until the Turks drove out the Jews through persecution in the 18th and ninteenth centuries. if I recall it correectly it was pretty much done by then re: What I am trying to say, is that, historically, Israel has more right to the land than the Palestinians unfortunately, palestinians have nowhere to go either. -Albert

To: hmaly who wrote (144926)	4/14/2002 7:53:11 PM
From: SilentZ	Respond to of 1573221

>The Palestinions didn't move into Israel in great numbers until the Turks drove out the Jews through persecution in the 18th and ninteenth centuries. Wait, the Turks never moved the Jews out. Nobody moved the Jews out after the Romans did, though the Muslims killed many of them. The Turks were pretty friendly to the Jews in the late 19th/early 20th centuries, and Theodor Herzl, the founder of the modern Zionist movement, had many meetings with the Turkish leaders. However, most of the people who became the Palestinians did not in fact move to the area until the mid-19th/early 20th century. In 1867, Mark Twain, after visiting Palestine, commented that the land was "a desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds . . . We never saw a human being on the whole route . . . Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country." -Z