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To: tejek who wrote (145106)	4/15/2002 12:51:37 PM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573230

Ted re: God on their side, but what they don't realize is that God left the arena a long time ago, and they are on their own. are not you the one who accused me of been dramatic?

To: tejek who wrote (145106)	4/15/2002 2:22:38 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573230

Ted, I can not account for their emotions at any given moment. However, for the people in general, any good feelings a successful suicide bombing may provide them has to be fleeting. I guess they may see it as a win against Israel but I can't believe it takes the place of feelings that would be engendered if they had a good job or a nice home. I still contend that the average Palestinian wants the same things that the average American or Israeli wants. Want as in want to get those things for nothing, or want as in working for those things, making them a priority over other things like celebration of of civilians killed by terrorists from New York City to Jerusalem? Nixon spoke of the silent majority, which was not really that silent, since it put him in office twice. Among Palestinians, this silent majority for good either completely does not exist, or is so surpressed by the militants and PLO leadership that their voice can't be heard. In Afganistan, such a majority apparently existed, since Taliban fell like dominos. If the situation with Palestinians were the same as with Afganistn, all that would be needed is a little push to topple the leadership. Israel would know about it and tried it by now. My WAG is that the Palestinians want the suicide bombers to continue, and are willing to endure the retaliations, while scoring PR points. I don't belong to either party and I am unclear what the plank is that you are talking about. The soak the rich plank. When Clinton said he was increasing taxes to make the rich pay their "fair share" the crowds went crazy. Even though he was lying, since since making the rich pay their fair share would actually mean a tax cut. I find it offensive the money some of the wealthy throw around Ahh.. there you go. but would I feel any pleasure if they were hurt physically or financially. I guess you don't see it as hurting them financially. You are just for an honorable duty of removing the excesses. What kind of mind [and I am talking about yours] would think that's that what anyone would want for someone who is better off? I don't understand what you are saying. Besides, the issue you cite is an American one.........I believe the struggle in Palestine goes well beyond it. I don't know if there is anything more universal than resentment of people who are doing better, and your kind of parties around the world (socialist ones) are centered around this. They exploit it to the fullest. As I said, this is just one component of Palestinian resentment. There are others, that may be more justifiable. Was it also thrilling for them when the Zionists were on the attack, and encouraged them to leave their homes? You talk about the Palestinians as if they were sub human. Is that what you think? Are you talking now or 50+ years ago? That was different. I don't think that the whole idea of creating Israel in the manner it was created, giving it UN approval was handled very well. Some Arab inhabitants of the territories had a right to feel resentment anger, frustration etc. But this was more than 50 years ago!!! And in 50 years, they were not able to change subject, they are still talking about it, living it. I mentioned example of Germans, who suffered the same injustice in many parts of the world, at about the same time (Sudeten Germans for example), but who now live a well adjusted, prosperous lives. Sub-humans? No, but the mentality, the strategy, the emotions displayed (celebration of 9/11 on the streets) are just so foreign to me that I am having hard time accepting anything any of them say. It seems to me neither side has any intention of stopping. Of course, Sharon from time to time says the right words but then does pretty much the opposite. That's why people in general are very worried. Why does there always have to be a moral equivalency, in the eyes of some? I doubt Israelis, including Sharon want this cat and a mouse game (suicide bombing / retaliation). They would rather stay in thier homes, live their lives. As far as the real / imagined, Israeli inflicted / self-inflicted problems of Palestinians, I am sure Israel would like them to just go away, sweep them under the carpet, not deal with them. And the way things are, if the Palestinians did not rock the boat, they would have hard time getting attention of Israel (or anyone else). But as long as Palestinians are the terrorists, celebrate terrorists, as long terrorism is their only game, only strategy, count me out. Joe