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To: Thomas M. who wrote (13762)4/16/2002 2:16:56 PM
From: goldsnow  Respond to of 23908
 
That is a previous conflict>>>

Nonsense. Same conflict. 1948, 1964, 1967, 2002-same conflict..



To: Thomas M. who wrote (13762)4/16/2002 2:59:13 PM
From: gda  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908
 
A "previous conflict" ? Are you trying to say the current Pal terror campaign is something new, unrelated to all their other waves of terrorism over the last 120 years?

Following your warped logic, the peaceful pals got into their current predicament for no fault of their own. They never murdered Jews in that land before Sept. 2000. They had nothing to do with the annihilation of the Hebron Jewish community in 1936. They never attacked the fledgling state of Israel in 1948. They never hijacked any planes, they did not murder the Israeli team to the Munich Olympics. They never murdered the children in Maalot. They never bombed the JCC in Argentina etc. etc. (the terror acts of the pals over the last 50 years have claimed over 3000 lives, most of which were civilians - men women and children)

So give me a break if I do not shed a tear for the tough spot they find themselves in. It is all their doing.

Israel has just ended memorial day over there today. Over 25000 Israelis have given their lives protecting Israel right to exist in the land of the Israelites. This is equivalent to 1.2 million! when compared in size to the U.S. So, excuse me if I am not impressed when the pals are screaming bloody murder when 100 of hamas, Jihad and Tanzim terrorists died in Jenin after refusing repeated offers by the IDF to give themselves up.



To: Thomas M. who wrote (13762)4/16/2002 3:43:25 PM
From: Machaon  Respond to of 23908
 
<< ... the Palestinians were subject to brutal and humiliating military oppression ... >>

Yes, but by their own leaders. The Palestinian people's worst enemy is Arafat. If the Palestinians didn't have violent, uneducated fools leading them, they might have had a country as prosperous as Lebanon!

Oppppps! I forgot. Arafat destroyed Lebanon prior to coming to the West Bank. He is an Arab cancer.



To: Thomas M. who wrote (13762)4/16/2002 6:06:38 PM
From: Gabriel  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908
 
*UPDATE ON APRIL 20 NATIONAL MARCH ON THE WHITE HOUSE*
April 13, 2002

KEEP READING TO FIND ...
- Updated list of speakers, messages & greetings
- Bus/van drop off, directions and parking info
- The plan for the day
- How you can get involved
- How you can get to DC from the East Coast, South,
Midwest and Canada

SPEAKERS, MESSAGES & GREETINGS TO APRIL 20
DEMONSTRATION AT THE WHITE HOUSE (partial list):

- Mumia Abu-Jamal, political prisoner (taped message)
- Fadia Rafeedi, representative of Palestinian youth
- Mahdi Bray, National Political Director, Muslim
Public Affairs Council
- Ramsey Clark, former U.S. attorney general
- Larry Adams, National Postal Mailhandlers Union,
President, Local 300; Representative of New York City
Labor Against the War (NYCLAW)
- Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, Auxillory Bishop, Catholic
Archdiocese of Detroit
- Rev. Lucius Walker, IFCO/Pastors for Peace
- Muslim Students Association of the U.S and Canada
- Monica Tarazi, Director, American-Arab
Anti-Discrimination Committee New York
- Sally Davies, President, AFSCME Council 92
- Magdy Mahmoud, President, Metropolitan Muslim
Federation NY-NJ, Council of Mosques & Islamic
Organizations, NJ
- Randa Jamal, Al-Awda Palestine Right to Return
Coalition, NY-NJ
- Farm Labor Organizing Committee
- Asha Samad-Matias, Muslims against Racism, Racial
and Religious Profiling and War
- Nadia Ahmed, President, Students for International
Peace & Justice
- Rev. Graylen Hagler, Senior Minister, Plymouth
Congregational Church
- Tariq Ali, Pakistani playwright & author
- Wilson Borja, Trade Unionist from Colombia
- Amer Jubran, Al-Awda Palestine Right to Return
Coalition, Massachusetts
- Dr. Helen Caldicott, Nobel Peace Prize Nominee
- Samia Halaby, Al-Alwda Palestine Right to Return
Coalition NY-NJ
- Iman Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin's (formerly H.Rap Brown)
Defense Committee
- Peta Lindsey, Youth and Student Coordinator,
A.N.S.W.E.R.
- Ismael Guadalupe, Committee for the Rescue and
Development of the Vieques
- Larry Holmes, International Action Center
- Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Partnership for Civil
Justice-LDEF
- Bayan USA (Filipino)
- Cheri Honkala, Kensington Welfare Rights Union
- Katherine Hoyt, Nicaragua Network
- Macrina Cardenas, Mexico Support Network
- Colombia Action Network
- DRUM (Desis Rising Up and Moving)
- Sister Maureen Feidler, Co-Director, Quixote Center
- Jane Franklin, Author, "Chronology on U.S.-Cuba
Relations"
- Arturo Griffith, Washington DC activist
- International Concerned Friends & Family of Mumia
Abu-Jamal
- Tom Dostou, Abenaki Nation
- Andy Thayer, Chicago Anti-Bashing Network, the case
of Rabih Haddand
- School of the Americas Watch
- Elizabeth Grullon, City University of New York
- Jibril Hough, South Carolina Coalition for Peace and
Justice
- Lucas Benitas, Coalition of a Immokele
- Teresita Jacinto, Committee for Indigenous
Solidarity
- William Underbagge, Native activist, Washington DC
WITH PERFORMANCES BY:
- Cetiliztli Nauhcampa Quetzalcoatl Aztec Mexican
Dance group
- Pam Parker & Company
- Rhythms of Aqua
- & with a special message from Mos Def

HOW TO GET DIRECTIONS TO THE DEMONSTRATION:
Go to mapquest.com, and get driving
directions from your starting location to "16th St.
and Constitution Ave. NW" in Washington DC. This is
the south side of the Ellipse, the park to the south
side of the White House where we are gathering.

WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE DROPPED OFF:
Buses, vans and cars can drop everyone off at 16th St.
and Constitution Ave. NW (between 15th and 17th St.).
When you pull up you'll see the stage and banners!

PARKING INFORMATION:
- BUSES: There is a lot that is used for bus parking
just over the Anacostia Bridge. Drive south on South
Capitol, go over the Anacostia Bridge, and take the
first right. (This lot was used by buses for the
September 29, 2001, demonstration with no problems.)
- VANS & CARS: There are many parking lots in this
area of Washington DC. Just drive noth from the
Ellipse and you should easily find a place for $15-20
for the day.

THE PLAN FOR THE DAY:
- Buses, vans and car caravans coming from over 100
organizing centers around the country will be arriving
in the morning. They are coming from Maine, from
Florida, from Texas, from Minnesota and from
everywhere in between. Buses should come to the
Ellipse as soon as they arrive in Washington DC.
- The White House rally (taking place on the Ellipse,
the south side of the White House, at Constitution
Ave. between 15th and 17th St.) will begin at 11 am.
The wide array of speakers can be seen in the list
above.
- After the rally at the White House, we will MARCH
east on Pennsylvania Ave. directly in front of the
White House, and across Pennsylvania Ave. to the
Justice Department.
- At the Justice Department--directly across the
street from the J. Edgar Hoover FBI building--we will
rally in defense of civil rights and civil liberties
and to demand the repeal of Ashcroft's USA Patriot
Act.
- After the rally at the Justice Department, we will
march on to a concluding rally!

IS THE DEMONSTRATION PERMITTED?
Yes. The A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition has met and had
discussions with the National Parks Service, the
Metropolitan Police Department and the Capitol Police.
We are pleased to announce that we have secured
permits for the rally and march.

HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED:
To make this event a success, hundreds of volunteers
are needed to help out in many areas! If you would
like to volunteer, email ANSWER@afgj.org. Help is
needed for handing out literature and placards,
getting out t-shirts, water and more.

LOGISTICAL INFORMATON ON THE WEB
Check out internationalanswer.org for
up-to-date logistical information. You can find MAPS,
METRO INFO, HOUSING FORMS, & more!

****ORGANIZING****

NEW APRIL 20 FLYER:
- Download on the web:
internationalanswer.org
- If you can't download it, email us at
ANSWER@afgj.org to have an original copy mailed to you

BUSES, VANS AND CAR CARAVANS
- Find others organizing from your area at
internationalanswer.org
- Email us at ANSWER@afgj.org if you're organizing so
we can help get others in touch with you, and if
you're not organizing, email us for tips on how to get
started

*SIMULTANEOUS RALLY IN SAN FRANCISCO*
internationalanswer.org

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR NEED MORE INFO,
Email: ANSWER@afgj.org
Washington (202) 332-5757
New York (212) 633-6646
Chicago (773) 583-7728
San Francisco (415) 821-6545
Los Angeles (213) 487-2368
internationalanswer.org