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To: cosmicforce who wrote (9282)	4/16/2002 6:10:36 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

So often we hear as parents how children respond to the way they are treated. I think that's true of all of us, children and adults. For years we treated gays as sick perverts, as objects of derision and rejection, as inferior beings without morals, of people who chose to sin. I can only imagine the hell it must be to realize you are different, and just how negatively that difference was going to be received. I think it bears considering that some of what those early studies show may possibly be reflecting the consequences of societal treatment, not of being gay. I just saw a victim of priest abuse on CNBC. It was a female, and I wondered how many of them have come forward. It makes more sense to me that males would be the victims, not because of gayness, but because of availability. Isn't it a fact that in prison, there is a high incidence of male on male rape even though most of the men are heterosexual? The sex drive is an intense one, and the environment of the Catholic Church was a repressive one. I think what I'm getting at by my own tortured cognitive process is that this specific situation with its abnormal lifestyle and expectations is a very poor one from which to draw any kind of generalizations regarding a far larger population.

To: cosmicforce who wrote (9282)	4/16/2002 6:17:27 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

<<If you saw two men living together down the street for the last 10 years in a monogamous relationship, everyone could be pretty sure gayness was a distinct possibility.>> That reminds me of something many years ago, back in the 60s and 70s. It's probably a little mind boggling since it happened in a Republican Central Illinois town. I say 60s and 70s because that was when I closest to what was going on, it lasted many more years than that. Anyway there were two men who worked as bookkeepers, a female job at that time, in downtown stores. They bought a house and lived together probably 40 years. Now they didn't hold hands or swap spit in public but you could tell they were a couple. They were both very nice people BTW. Never did I see or hear one word or act against either one of them. They were just accepted for who they were. About the same time there was a flaming black homosexual named Charley. She'd become Charlene at times. Same deal, treated with respect due to which gender he/she chose at the time.