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To: carranza2 who wrote (25762)	4/17/2002 10:33:15 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Both are fueled by hate and rage against what is essentially Western culture--no qualitative difference there. Hmm.....having trouble with this "qualitative difference" claptrap, especially when the net result is dead innocent civilians. Let me offer a bit of "claptrap" back. Though we are definitely getting to the point at which we are all repeating ourselves. Two points. First, if you wish to argue that the line to draw between moral and immoral actions in war is the targeting of innocent civilians, then consistency calls for you to note the US did the same with the Dresden fire bombing and Hiroshima/Nagasaki. I actually think that's a very important line to draw so have not argued these actions are moral. I have argued that to understand them and to condemn them as immoral one has to examine the structural contexts out of which they come. As for the Al-Qaida comparison with the Palestinians, the equivalence you offer, that both are caused by their hatred for Western culture, misses the mark. I have little doubt that what causes them to have legitimacy among lots of Palestinians is the troubled history of Israeli occupation.

To: carranza2 who wrote (25762)	4/17/2002 6:43:53 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi carranza2; Re the question of how the Palestinian suicide bombing is qualitatively different from Al-Qaeda's attack on the WTC. The Palestinians are attacking a tiny pariah state of 5 million stuck in a sea of 200 million people who, more or less, hate it. Al Qaeda attacked a large nation of 250 million surrounded immediately by ocean, but with far reaching power and which is friends with almost every other state on the planet. -- Carl P.S. I most assuredly did not invent the yerm "Islamofascist".