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To: tejek who wrote (145651)	4/20/2002 6:31:01 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574005

Ted, Joe, once again conservative thinking is only able to see in black and white and not the grays in between. That's right, I use oil.....I really don't have a lot of choice in the matter since I live in the same economy as everyone else and I am not fanatical on the issue. However, if people in this country used oil as sparingly as I do, I suspect we would not have to import any oil........and again, I am not one of the fanatical types. I knew you could do it, to leave the shallow thinking behind and open your mind. Having said that, I accept the need for oil until the time comes when we change the fuel that runs our economy. Therefore, my intent is to use it as sparingly as possible and if I had my druthers this country would go on a long overdue oil diet. It would do our trade deficits some good and maybe allow us to be more honest in our foreign diplomacy. I am all for using oil sparingly, and personally do use oil very sparingly in my life (I admit, it was not a plan, more like a coincidence), but I would not go further with this recommandation than voluntary basis. If there was an area where individual action counts more than anything, this is it. Suppose 50% of the population cuts their consumption of oil and oil derived products by 50%. You suddenly have the country using 25% less oil. When you lose me is when you start talking about compulsory actions, imposing your views, when so much can be (and is not) done on voluntary basis. One other thing.......I find a recurrent theme in conservative rhetoric both on and off this thread that liberals tend to be deficit in the brain department. I know way too many smart liberals for this to be true. I think it is not lack of capability, but lack of use of full brain capacity. Let me give you example of shallow thinking: "oil baron" An example of using your brain: "I am going to use oil sparingly" That's easy........fighting your friends [your fellow conservatives] who want to drill in the ANWR. Are you saying you would leave the oil there forever, unused, even if a possible oil shortage some time in the future would potentially crash the economy, cause unemployment, poverty starvation, hunger, deaths? Or you would just not use it now? I personally would not use it now, but (as posted few days ago), it would be a great idea to use it as a greatly expanded strategic petroleaum reserve, buy building up the capacity to extract oil, but the actual extraction would not start now. It would only start in case of a potential shortage in the future. Joe

To: tejek who wrote (145651)	4/20/2002 6:31:02 PM
From: Joe NYC	Respond to of 1574005

Ted, Joe, once again conservative thinking is only able to see in black and white and not the grays in between. That's right, I use oil.....I really don't have a lot of choice in the matter since I live in the same economy as everyone else and I am not fanatical on the issue. However, if people in this country used oil as sparingly as I do, I suspect we would not have to import any oil........and again, I am not one of the fanatical types. I knew you could do it, to leave the shallow thinking behind and open your mind. Having said that, I accept the need for oil until the time comes when we change the fuel that runs our economy. Therefore, my intent is to use it as sparingly as possible and if I had my druthers this country would go on a long overdue oil diet. It would do our trade deficits some good and maybe allow us to be more honest in our foreign diplomacy. I am all for using oil sparingly, and personally do use oil very sparingly in my life (I admit, it was not a plan, more like a coincidence), but I would not go further with this recommendation than voluntary basis. If there was an area where individual action counts more than anything, this is it. Suppose 50% of the population cuts their consumption of oil and oil derived products by 50%. You suddenly have the country using 25% less oil. When you lose me is when you start talking about compulsory actions, imposing your views, when so much can be (and is not) done on voluntary basis. One other thing.......I find a recurrent theme in conservative rhetoric both on and off this thread that liberals tend to be deficit in the brain department. I know way too many smart liberals for this to be true. I think it is not lack of capability, but lack of use of full brain capacity. Let me give you example of shallow thinking: "oil baron" An example of using your brain: "I am going to use oil sparingly" That's easy........fighting your friends [your fellow conservatives] who want to drill in the ANWR. Are you saying you would leave the oil there forever, unused, even if a possible oil shortage some time in the future would potentially crash the economy, cause unemployment, poverty starvation, hunger, deaths? Or you would just not use it now? I personally would not use it now, but (as posted few days ago), it would be a great idea to use it as a greatly expanded strategic petroleum reserve, buy building up the capacity to extract oil, but the actual extraction would not start now. It would only start in case of a potential shortage in the future. Joe

To: tejek who wrote (145651)	4/20/2002 7:10:46 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574005

Ted, Joe, once again conservative thinking is only able to see in black and white and not the grays in between. That's right, I use oil.....I really don't have a lot of choice in the matter since I live in the same economy as everyone else and I am not fanatical on the issue. However, if people in this country used oil as sparingly as I do, I suspect we would not have to import any oil........and again, I am not one of the fanatical types. I knew you could do it, to leave the shallow thinking behind and open your mind. Having said that, I accept the need for oil until the time comes when we change the fuel that runs our economy. Therefore, my intent is to use it as sparingly as possible and if I had my druthers this country would go on a long overdue oil diet. It would do our trade deficits some good and maybe allow us to be more honest in our foreign diplomacy. I am all for using oil sparingly, and personally do use oil very sparingly in my life (I admit, it was not a plan, more like a coincidence), but I would not go further with this recommendation than voluntary basis. If there was an area where individual action counts more than anything, this is it. Suppose 50% of the population cuts their consumption of oil and oil derived products by 50%. You suddenly have the country using 25% less oil. When you lose me is when you start talking about compulsory actions, imposing your views, when so much can be (and is not) done on voluntary basis. One other thing.......I find a recurrent theme in conservative rhetoric both on and off this thread that liberals tend to be deficit in the brain department. I know way too many smart liberals for this to be true. I think it is not lack of capability, but lack of use of full brain capacity. Let me give you example of shallow thinking: "oil baron" An example of using your brain: "I am going to use oil sparingly" That's easy........fighting your friends [your fellow conservatives] who want to drill in the ANWR. Are you saying you would leave the oil there forever, unused, even if a possible oil shortage some time in the future would potentially crash the economy, cause unemployment, poverty starvation, hunger, deaths? Or you would just not use it now? I personally would not use it now, but (as posted few days ago), it would be a great idea to use it as a greatly expanded strategic petroleum reserve, buy building up the capacity to extract oil, but the actual extraction would not start now. It would only start in case of a potential shortage in the future. Joe

To: tejek who wrote (145651)	4/22/2002 2:07:16 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574005

One other thing.......I find a recurrent theme in conservative rhetoric both on and off this thread that liberals tend to be deficit in the brain department. The primary use of this theme is to diminish the views and suggestions of liberals. It works both ways. The liberals do it too. American Spirit does this in almost every post, and you do it once in awhile as well. Just so that you know.....I think its horsesht and acts as a smokescreen to hide the true motives of conservatives.* So its unfair and wrong to bash your opponents intelligence but its just fine to call them dishonest and say they have hidden ulterior motives? Tim