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To: American Spirit who wrote (145694)	4/21/2002 3:16:20 AM
From: richard surckla	Respond to of 1574864

Amazing how much smoke one can blow out of his/her butt!

To: American Spirit who wrote (145694)	4/21/2002 3:41:16 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1574864

Admittedly he is a flawed man and no saint but was a great president in terms of how we all benfitted as a society and economy during most of his eight years. Most Americans and most of the world loved him and were happy he was there. No one can deny that. A large proportion of America denies it. I certainly do. Clinton's time in office represents the worst of American politics; the absolute worst I've seen in my lifetime; he literally made Nixon look like a saint. The notion that Clinton brought us economic expansion is absurd. You want to give him credit because he happened to be there. Economic expansion would have happened at that time and this place with or without Clinton. The economic expansion had begun before Clinton was elected; but it is a fact that Clinton hired the best liars in America to convince the voters it should all be attributed to him. I'll be damned if I'd call a president "great" when in the next breath, I had to apologize for the likes of the sleezy pardons, the Lewinsky fiasco, the rapes and/or assaults of numerous women, FileGate, TravelGate, the Lincoln Bedroom scandals, Whitewater, Jeez, the list just goes on and on and on. This is totally inconsistent with the notion that he was either great or did anything of consequence for this country. The simple fact is that he destroyed the office of the presidency. His most important contribution was that, for an entire generation, he blurred the line between right and wrong; this group of individuals can no longer see, with moral clarity, why women aren't mere pieces of meat, why it isn't okay to lie, why integrity is important. If a man can become president and still conduct himself in such a manner, then the subtle message is that these activities are acceptable, even righteous. Reagan after leaving office immediately went to then trade-rival Japan and made one speech for $1,000,000 BFD. Reagan was no longer in a position of power. No quid pro quo, and no appearance of impropriety. Had Reagan accepted this money when he was in a position of influence, you'd have a valid complaint. Clinton, on the other hand, provided pardon services for fees; nothing more, nothing less. Your complaint (and the liberal position, generally) against these other people is that they made money. Since when it THAT a crime? There has been not one credible hint of a suggestion that any of the instances you mentioned was improper. But improper would be a total understatement of Clinton's actions. It just isn't comparable; Clinton was corrupt to the core (still is). Carter seems to be the only pure one in the bunch. Carter, like most liberals, is totally incompetent. He isn't "pure", he just didn't have the skillset to be president. Just like LBJ. Just like Clinton. And, just like Gore. Liberal presidents do not have the strength and analytical capability to do the job. So, in my lifetime at least, every Democrat elected to the presidency has left the office in a shambles. Clinton is no exception. Anyway I think Clinton got seduced and made a mistake Clinton's no fool; he just can't tell right from wrong. A liberal characteristic. Ask Teddy Kennedy. Not to say that conservatives don't sometimes have the same problem, but with liberals, it is like it is genetic or something.