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To: LindyBill who wrote (26536)	4/22/2002 4:22:24 PM
From: tekboy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

thisswinefinallyreadyourpearls awww... <blushing> Cohen's one of my favorite authors. He was a teacher of mine in grad school, and we've been friends ever since. He's more conservative than I am, though, and keeps trying to stiffen my backbone on policy matters... fans of Cohen should definitely check out the other piece of his available as part of the FA Mideast package, the one on Israel's fiftieth anniversary. It captured a very interesting moment in Israel's history, but one that already seems prehistoric... fans of his should also watch out for his new book, Supreme Command, due out in a couple of months, which has lots of juicy stuff on leadership in wartime, Churchill, etc. etc. tb@huckster.com

To: LindyBill who wrote (26536)	4/22/2002 6:08:15 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Lindy... while the M-16 has its faults, by NO MEANS is an MP-5 comparable. They are two different weapons with different mission capabilities. One is an assault weapon with high-power rounds (considering the .223 cal bullet), while the other essentially is a machine pistol, firing standard 9mm parabellum ammunition that dates back to WWI (remember the Luger?) MP-5's are great for close up work in urban areas, but their penetrative power is limited. The .223 round, while limited in effectiveness at range, can do some considerable damage given it's tendency to "tumble" and create huge cavitation wounds (small hole going in, large hole once inside, and out the back if it penetrates). A friend of mine once shot a deer he was able to sneak close to with a .223 mini-14 and the round just created a mess inside .....ruined half the carcass. But neither is a match for 7.62 NATO, or good old .308, especially for long range firing.. However, most casualties are normally inflicted at shorter range (which is little comfort if you happen to be the guy being engaged at long range by the other side)... Again.. the MP-5 is a fine weapon.. but I would prefer the Israeli Galil or one of the Bull-Pup models... But you know the US is working on the OICW, which is supposed to be the most advanced weapon yet to be deployed. However, the jury is still out about its accuracy at longer ranges, IMO.. Pretty short barrel it has.. But that semi-automatic grenade lancher is a nifty item to have... atk.com But UncleWest can probably pipe in here and provide some perspective.. He's obviously used and abused more weapons in his lifetime than any of us could ever dream of.. Hawk