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To: Jerome who wrote (704)	4/25/2002 10:49:10 AM
From: Fred Levine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 786

To all-- Mike, I think Runes or Jerome or anyone who disagrees should not be put on ignore, but, as both a NY'er and a Jew, (and knowing history) I also feel emotionally involved in these issues. Both of us feel that antisemitism is a reality and that only Jews are concerned with the survival of Jews.Certainly both of us know that this is a generality. Indeed my most pro-Israel hawkish friend is curiously anti-semitic. Back to issues: I define the problems as: 1) Stopping the slaughter of ALL innocent people. 2) Maintaining sovereign Palestinian and Israeli states. 3) Defending the West, particularly the US (because I'm particularly American), from terrorism (related to 1) History, however imperfect, is revealing. Runes, when you correctly point out the right of return, you neglected that the '48 UN resolution recognizing Israel as a state was greeted by the Arab League by invasion --and the annexation of Palestine by Jordan and Egypt. Israel was created by force and not by negotiation or UN resolutions. You are also correct when you state that I generalize when I refer to Arabs collectively. I mean this as a generality rather than a blanket description. However, Islam has always had militant thrust. Altho Mohammad's wife transcribed his visions into (according to Karen Armstrong) a merciful and benevolent religion, Mohammad also led a fierce army that freed Mecca (or Medina). I'm now reading more on this important topic. Jihad is not a recent innovation. Where Mike and I differ from you, and I changed just last week, is that without a strong show of force, the objectives I listed cannot be achieved. I wish you were correct, but Bernard Lewis changed my mind when he cited the Arab contempt for the West that occurred after our withdrawal from Somalia, our lack of response to the Yemen bombing, the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon. In addition, I was shocked to read the pride that Assad Hussain took that he annihilated the town of Hama. Friedman described a Syrian general as being proud of the decisive action they took. I find myself getting redundant so I don't want to be repetitive. I do think it is tragic that humans have not consistently found an alternative to destruction when vital issues are in conflict. Perhaps, if I were a Palestinian, I would feel differently, but I'm not. I am concerned with the issues that I listed. fred