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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: nealm who wrote (251336)	4/26/2002 3:14:01 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

As a nation and a world, we should all work on it together and never say die. The fact is we can't keep using oil forever anyway, and it's a major pollutant. It will take time, maybe even decades, but it can and must be done.

To: nealm who wrote (251336)	4/26/2002 3:16:24 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769670

Here Bush goes again, talks the talk but will not walk. Of all the most fragile eco-systems to project our waterways top the list, and look at this. Mine garbage is OK for rivers and streams now. What a travesty and set-back. Wonder how much soft money the mining companies gave him, how many millions, in exchange for fouling rivers. This my friends is true corruption and whever you hear Bush being charged for being in the pocket of special interests, this is what they mean. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Environmental Protection Agency (news - web sites) has drafted new rules that would let mining companies dump waste from mountaintop coal mining operations into rivers and streams, The Washington Post reported on Friday. The proposed rules are aimed at lifting regulations prohibiting mining companies from disposing of material considered waste, including rock and dirt, in the nearby waterways, the newspaper said. Mountaintop coal mining has been limited by federal rules and court challenges aimed at restricting how much of the waste from these operations can be dumped in waterways. According to a draft "final rule" prepared jointly by the EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers, the administration would eliminate that "waste exclusion," the report said. The White House has been supportive of efforts to help the mining industry but has not approved the final plan, officials told the newspaper. If approved, the proposed rules would provide a major boost to coal mining operations in West Virginia and Kentucky and stepped-up hardrock mining in western states, the report said. The newspaper said the proposed changes could undermine efforts by environmentalists and community groups to fight mountaintop mining operations that they say cause unacceptable damage to rivers and streams. Administration officials described the proposed new rules as basically an effort to bring the Corps rules in line with their interpretation of the Clean Water Act, the paper said. The officials told the paper there is nothing in the act that prohibits the dumping of such mining waste in rivers and streams, played down any threat to the environment. "The changes would harmonize the definition the Corps has been operating under with that of the EPA," said Greg Peck, an EPA official who has been involved in the rulemaking. But officials of the environmental groups Natural Resources Defense Council and Earthjustice, who obtained copies of the final draft rules on Thursday, described them as a major departure in policy, the Post said. The groups believe the new rules could significantly weaken their legal case in fighting mountaintop mining

To: nealm who wrote (251336)	4/27/2002 12:42:00 AM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Hydrogen was never said to be a source of energy. It is a carrier for storing energy. Do you ridicule and not use cordless drills and cell phones? The battery in them is not a source of energy either. The big advantage of hydrogen is that it can be easily be gotten from water by transferring the energy of natural gas, or electrical generation from any source, and using it without any pollution at the end use. If the source is wind or solar power, this can be done in an endless cycle forever without ever running out of fuel, and without ever worrying about pollution or global warming. All it takes is the commitment. Gasoline also takes energy to produce and does not occur naturally. BTW, the latest thinking is that there may be a huge amount of uncombined hydrogen down a few miles. Del