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To: nealm who wrote (251758)	4/29/2002 3:49:22 PM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

< Listen, I have three engineering degrees, I thought I was helping you out. It just amazes me how people like YOU make up stuff and then get upset when your called on it. > I don't know what area your engineering degrees are in, but I hope they don't depend on your understanding of hydrogen. < Hydrogen would have to be compressed and refrigerated for transportation. > Actually compressed OR refrigerated. Liquefied is probably what you mean. Refrigeration wouldn't do squat for storing the hydrogen under pressure until it liquefies at -252C (at 1 atmosphere). Apparently you don't know about the safe, ambient temperature, solid state storage of hydrogen in metal hydrides. More hydrogen is stored in these hydrides, per volume, than is stored in liquid hydrogen. Why did you not mention this? < Algae? You would run the US economy on algae?!? You'd have better luck with those windmills. Hey how about "cold fusion"? Was that you? > Who said that I would run the US economy on algae? That was part of a reply to you where you incorrectly stated that hydrogen doesn't exist in a free state. The article that I cited showed where free hydrogen exists in the Earth's mantle. It also outgasses from coal mines. It also is produced by the certain algae. Why are you distort my statements? Because I caught you spouting off about a subject about which you are poorly informed? More later. Del

To: nealm who wrote (251758)	4/30/2002 1:41:25 AM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

< your pollyanna approach to energy production > All of the auto manufacturers are working on fuel cell and/or internal combustion engine autos that will run on hydrogen. Chevron/Texaco, Shell and other major oil companies are heavily investing in the future production, storage and transportation of hydrogen for autos. But I am a misguided polyanna for seeing a future for hydrogen in autos? I guess that you are right and all of the engineers working on hydrogen solutions are wrong. You need to do your duty and warn them that they are wasting their time. Apparently you don't know about the safe, ambient temperature, solid state storage of hydrogen in metal hydrides. < Yea, it called a voltaic cell (i.e battery) what's your point? You should read warnings on the side of those things. I know about a liquid that stores hydrogen at room temperature... it's called gasoline. > Wrong. The function of a metal hydride is to soak up hydrogen like a sponge soaks up water and hold it safely until heat drives it off. That waste heat can come from a fuel cell or ICE engine. A perfect match. A nickle metal hydride battery contains a metal hydride as the name implies, but the function of the hydride is to hold the hydrogen driven off when the cell is charged, and to release it when needed by the cell to create electricity. The hydride itself is not involved in the reaction that produces the electricity. ovonic.com The gasoline that you are so fond of is a mixture of hydrocarbons that are more than 2/3 HYDROGEN! Take away the carbon and you have pure hydrogen. No CO2 to add to global warming. Imagine that. I am not going to waste time posting to you again until you learn a little more about the subject. Here's a start. h2fc.com Del