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To: thames_sider who wrote (11890)5/3/2002 1:05:07 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21057
 
Anyone who is capable of distinguishing between tyranny and just government knows that the positive law is an insufficient measure of justice, and that there must be moral conceptions anterior to it by which to judge. Nor is it sufficient to use the manner of arriving at a law as a test of its propriety, since the majority can behave tyrannically towards minorities, and the legislature may be corrupted. There are basically two kinds of rights: claims we have on the government to do or forebear, and claims we have on private parties of a similar nature. Rights are merely the reciprocal notion to duties. If I have a duty to take care of my son, he has a right to my support. These rights may be natural or they may be positive. Rights that are positive may exceed the inventory of natural rights, as they are found expedient, but positive rights are supposed to be consonant with natural rights, in order to be just. We infer natural rights from the residual claims that the individual has within the political order, among other things. At least, then, the individual enters into the political order to have greater security in his person and property, and to advance his interests in an orderly fashion without recourse to coercion, through ordinary commerce and free deliberation.

Thus, those rights we commonly associate with liberal democracy, that mitigate majoritarianism, are easily derived: the right to freedom of speech and press, and of assembly, are clearly necessary to enable free deliberation and the exchange of ideas. Freedom of conscience requires both that government not impose a religious confession, and that it not unduly inhibit the free exercise of religion. Of course, the right to petition for redress of grievances is essential to ensuring that the government be responsive. Similarly, injunctions about due process as a hedge against arbitrary use of the police powers, further the purpose of submitting to government. It is in this context that we have to view the matter of keeping and bearing arms. Before all other rights, the right to defend yourself is paramount. The government cannot guarantee that degree of protection that would provide utter safety without becoming a police state, and trampling on our freedom in other areas. Thus, we must have the ability to determine our own needs in that regard, without undue regulation. Otherwise, we will have made ourselves defenseless in the very pursuit of greater security, which is a contradiction.........



To: thames_sider who wrote (11890)5/3/2002 1:21:08 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21057
 
Sure can tell which side of the pond you're on from that one.

Privileges? Privileges, my ***. In forming the US, some powers were ceded to the central government. The remainder were retained by the states or the people. A badly mauled idea at this point, but still there. It's in our Constitution.

Amendment IX.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

We don't have a King, remember? We told yours to get his butt off the real estate.



To: thames_sider who wrote (11890)5/3/2002 1:25:07 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21057
 
I see you have added to your post. Suppose you were a Korean businessman in the last round of severe rioting in Los Angeles, several years ago. If you remember, Koreans were particularly targeted for looting by rioters, and some were severely beaten. That is a situation in which brandishing a shotgun might sober the crowd, and save one's life and business. The main thing is that it is own's job to make such a determination about one's own security.......