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To: Lane3 who wrote (12068)5/5/2002 12:09:39 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Respond to of 21057
 
UH OH! America's Total Debt = $32 Trillion = $115,000 per person!

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To: Lane3 who wrote (12068)5/5/2002 12:30:43 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 21057
 
And of course there's the bit in there that only 50% of the public knew that it take the earth one year to orbit the sun (SAY WHAT???), that antibiotics do nor kill viruses (no wonder antibiotics are so overprescribed!), that electrons are smaller than atoms, and that dinosaurs and humans did not live at the same time.

A majority of Americans (about 70 percent) lack a clear understanding of the scientific process.
A recent illustration on this tread would be Karma. He just seemingly COULD NOT understand that his breezy extension of some laws of physics with very specific meaning could not be justified scientifically.

Belief in pseudoscience, including astrology, extrasensory perception (ESP), and alien abductions, is relatively widespread and growing. For example, in response to the 2001 NSF survey, a sizable minority (41 percent) of the public said that astrology was at least somewhat scientific, and a solid majority (60 percent) agreed with the statement "some people possess psychic powers or ESP."
What was the name of Carl Sagan's book along these lines?

And how did you copy the text from that report? I can't seem to select the text.



To: Lane3 who wrote (12068)5/5/2002 12:58:58 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 21057
 
Good find!

Another gem:
About equal pecrentages of men and women- -31% and 28%- -read science fiction. However the Sci FI channel audience is predominately men- -55%. Women make up the majority of viewers of every other TV channel except sports.

There does not seem to be a correlaton between level of education and watching Star Trek. (Somehow i'm not surprised by that.)

More than 25% of the public believes in astrology.

At least half the public believes in ESP.

More women than men believe in psedoscience.



To: Lane3 who wrote (12068)5/5/2002 6:12:26 PM
From: average joe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21057
 
Belief in pseudoscience may indicate a lack of critical thinking skills [DUH!!]

Blind faith in anything including modern science, pseudoscience or religion is dangerous I don't see any difference between the faith of Greg McRitchie in God or certain others in science. Religious or non-religious we are all motivated by self-interest, bias and greed.



To: Lane3 who wrote (12068)5/5/2002 9:11:32 PM
From: Win Smith  Respond to of 21057
 
The pseudoscience topic made me go out and dig up a book review on the topic of a certain pseudoscientific formulation that gets batted around fairly often around here.

Supernatural Selection
By Jim Holt

INTELLIGENT DESIGN CREATIONISM AND
ITS CRITICS
Philosophical, Theological,
and Scientific Perspectives.
Edited by Robert T. Pennock.
query.nytimes.com

IN the last decade or so, creationism has grown sophisticated. Oh, the old-fashioned creationists are still around, especially in the Bible Belt. They're the ones who believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old, that God created it and all its inhabitants in six days and that fossils are a product of Noah's flood. In the early 1990's, however, a new breed of creationists appeared. These ''neo-creos,'' as they have been called, are no Dogpatch hayseeds. They have Ph.D.'s and occupy positions at some of the better universities. The case they make against Darwinism does not rest on the authority of Scripture; rather, it proceeds from premises that are scientific and philosophical, invoking esoteric ideas in molecular biology, information theory and the logic of hypothesis testing.

Not to name any local "neo-creos" or anything. On the broader front, my search also turned up this recent article:

Odds Are Stacked When Science Tries to Debate Pseudoscience nytimes.com

As difficult as debating ultimate limits of the possible may be, there is another debate that is even harder to win. But it is a debate that may be even more important. It is a debate on the "fairness" of science. The reason for the difficulty is simple. Science is not fair. All ideas are not treated equally. Only those that have satisfied the test of experiment or can be tested by experiment have any currency. Beautiful ideas, elegant ideas and even sacrosanct notions are not immune from termination by the chilling knife edge of experimental data.

In Ohio, a debate is raging over whether to teach "intelligent design" alongside evolution in high school biology classes. Intelligent design is based on the belief that life is too complicated to explain by natural causes alone and that some intelligence, ultimately some divine intelligence, must have created the original life forms on earth or guided their development.

Proponents of that idea suggest that including it in the curriculum is simply a question of fairness. If a significant number of people do not believe that evolution provides an adequate explanation of the origin of species, they argue, then it is only fair to present both sides of the argument in a high school science class.

Proponents of that idea suggest that including it in the curriculum is simply a question of fairness. If a significant number of people do not believe that evolution provides an adequate explanation of the origin of species, they argue, then it is only fair to present both sides of the argument in a high school science class.

But at least half of Americans polled in a recent survey by the National Science Foundation did not know that Earth orbits the Sun, and that it takes a year to do so. Does this mean we should teach that Earth is the center of the universe? Of course not. It merely means that we are not doing a very good job informing the public about physics.

Science is not a democratic process. It does not proceed by majority rule and it does not accept notions that have already been disproven by experiment.

Intelligent design makes assertions that cannot be tested by experiment. Those assertions that can be tested, say about blood clotting or the claimed irreducible complexity of various components of cells, seem to have thus far failed those tests. So intelligent design does not belong in a science class. End of story.

Nevertheless, recently the Ohio State School Board felt it necessary to run a hearing on evolution vs. intelligent design in a debate format, with two proponents of evolution to face off against two advocates of intelligent design in Columbus.

One might think that I would know better than to agree to participate in such a debate. But I did, because I felt the education of schoolchildren in Ohio was so important.

Nevertheless, I tried to learn from my earlier mistakes. Merely having a debate inevitably suggests that each side has some credibility. As a result, opponents of the scientific method like creationists try very hard to appear in debates with scientists. Merely being on the same stage represents a victory!