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To: Dave Gore who wrote (6731)5/6/2002 1:01:36 PM
From: Dave Gore  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 16631
 
WHAT CAN THE SMALL GUY DO? ------ I am a believer that what the masses want, they can eventually get. If the masses demand some serious action be taken to right these wrongs, then it just might happen.

The problem is that not enough people believe that or take the time to complain. They think "I'm too smart a trader to get caught up in this manipulation" or "I can use it to my advantage". Well, just think how much easier it would be if stocks traded based on PE, PEG, and other value indicators fairly. Just think if standard accounting procedure were rigidly enforced?

I think we'd all be quite wealthy.

Why? Because much of the guesswork would be gone. We could stop wondering why a stock like TER was trading at over $30 per share when it is losing money bigtime or countless others that that are doing the same. Also, we wouldn't have a stock like ESST trading at a trailing PE of 12 when a competitor with lower earnings, ZRAN, trades at 85 times trailing earnings. There would be an orderly methodology to valuing stocks.

Can we all help bring this to the attention of some people who might change it? I don't know for sure, but Enron's scandal and the resultant public outcry might make this a good time to do so. Politicians might have some self-serving reasons to acutally listen for a change.

I would write the SEC just to get it on record and then write the people who might be willing to help ---- your local and state representatives, and the Senate Subcommittee who deals in these things.

Anybody know how to contact the later?



To: Dave Gore who wrote (6731)5/6/2002 1:15:55 PM
From: Joe Copia  Respond to of 16631
 
Dave

NAZ penny JMXI is reporting tomorrow. It's presently
.12 x .13

I'm not going to be surprised if they surprise the street.

I'm in for the "surprise!"



To: Dave Gore who wrote (6731)5/6/2002 1:32:25 PM
From: Bruce A. Brotnov  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 16631
 
Dave, another manipulated stock is PLMD as it started in Nov 99 with a stink story about FBI raid and it dropped 50% to under 20 as I recall and several months later it regained 40 area and the same allegation came out by Herb Greenberg I think and it went under 20 again and last year they again managed to get the FBI for real this time come and take out records (one of the companies had 4 claims in question out of several million) and then a couple months ago the SEC found nothing worthy of charges and the stock gapped up 13 points. A rare day when shorters of a good stock got their just due.

If a company is fradulent, then they deserve to be taken down, but when it is fraudulent accusations then the false accusers should receive similar justice - but how often does justice prevail. I guess that is what keeps the market volatile.

Bruce
now at Sacramento



To: Dave Gore who wrote (6731)5/6/2002 1:44:11 PM
From: Dave Gore  Respond to of 16631
 
TO ALL ------ E-mail Senator Levin or others

Email addresses for all Senators:
senate.gov

link to Mr. Levin's website:
levin.senate.gov

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May 6, 2002

Dear Mr. Levin,

Thanks for all the help you have given to the small guy. However, may I share the following with you? As a 25 year veteran of the stock market and with an award-winning website, I wanted to make you aware of some manipulation going on that is making it nearly impossible for the little investor to win.

I just posted the following on SiliconInvestor.com on my discussion thread, recently named by Forbes Magazine as one of the "Top Ten Stock Messages Board on the Net"


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So, the big question: "Is the Small Guy Being Used"?
What do you think? This thread has seen strangely-timed, large "short action" in low PE stocks like ACF, SGR, and ESST resulting in unusual slides, then sudden dramatic turnarounds in ACF and SGR a few weeks later. Also EXPE has also been a bit strange the other way, going up some 450% in the last 52 weeks with good, but much weaker fundamentals than the above three stocks.

Could this be manipulation at its worst?

Are the specialists really at the heart of it and have they been protected by the good ol' boy network for decades?

Richarn Ney's article:
w3.trib.com

Excerpts from the above article
"The specialists are the heart of the exchange. The exchange, in turn, has practical control of the major corporations, banks, insurance companies, and brokerage houses in this country. These, in turn, influence news reporting and the regulatory agencies."

"The specialist has absolute control over price. He can match the buys with the sells in any way he sees fit. He can raise the price of the stock 3 points in three trades, and open the next day down 5."

"When the specialist has sold all his inventory, and has sold short, he will then begin a downward slide of prices so necessary to his plans. Slides are a mirror of rallies. Near the bottom, the specialist will increase the angle of price decline, alarming investors, scaring them into selling their shares to the specialist who needs them to cover his short sales, and to build a new inventory at wholesale. The media will remain bullish, or cautiously optimistic throughout a slide, until the last two weeks, when they will turn suddenly bearish (3Ney, 158)."

"The specialist, one of his partners, a friendly broker, their lawyers, or their bankers, often sit on the company's board of directors, which makes the specialist privy to information before the average trader. Where an officer of a corporation is held strictly accountable to the SEC for his use of 'inside information', the specialist and fellow brokers are accountable to no one (1Ney, 54-55)."

"The seeming unpredictability of stock prices is due to the fact that prices exist at the whim of the specialist."

"A stock is only worth what the specialist is willing to pay for it at the moment. The fluctuations you see are, in fact, the evidence of how the specialist is working out his inventory problems to meet his short-term, intermediate-term, and long-term goals (2Ney, 172). The specialist will sometimes 'leap frog' his prices up or down, creating a gap. This is done to keep a group of investors from buying or selling at a particular price. 'Leap Frogs' show specialist intent."

"The specialist has many advantages, many tools to use to pry dollars from unsuspecting investors and mutual funds. Chief among these advantages is his book. In his book he can see at a glance all the buy and sell orders from the public and the funds. His book tells him of potentially massive sales above and below his current price. This gives him a great advantage when he is trading on his own investment and omnibus accounts."

"Because of his book, the specialist sees shifts in trends long before anyone else. This gives him a great advantage. The specialist will buy heavily at the bottom of a slide (at wholesale) then advance prices and sell, at heavy volume, at the peak of the rally (retail). He will then sell short and take prices down. The turning points of a rally will be marked by heavly volume in the Dow 30 (3Ney, 85-89)."

"When he desires he can even make large block trades without entering them into his book. In this way the public is never made aware of those trades. Should the specialist want to supply a buy or sell order from his own accounts, rather than from public orders on book, he can and will do so (1Ney, 156). Ney cites specific examples when his customers orders were ignored while the specialist completed orders for his own accounts."

"It is highly unlikely that we will see news reports critical of U.S. stock exchanges, or of the specialist system. There is a simple reason for this. All news organiztions are corporations and do but reflect their management's views. Corporations that own media have specialists influencing the choice of management. Newspapers, magazines, and television are but extensions of the corporate world."

"When Richard Ney's first book, The Wall Street Jungle, came out it was on the New York Times best seller list for 11 months. Yet the New York Times would not review it. The Wall Street Journal refused to take an ad from a New York bookstore that featured The Wall Street Jungle (2Ney, 30)."

"All three of the major networks were wary of having Ney appear. NBC banned only two people from appearing on the Tonight show with Johnny Carson: Ralph Nader and Richard Ney. Not only do large banks, brokerage firms, and corporations advertise on television, they also are the largest stock holders (2Ney, 33- 34)."

LINK:
Message 17428836


Respectfully,