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To: Neocon who wrote (12443)	5/8/2002 9:41:34 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

Ah, do I hear the Jerusalem Post squawking? Awk? awk? Voice of Debka? The UK has been there and done that. Would sending in the tanks to level Armargh, or indeed Dublin, have improved things in NI? Reasonable response?

To: Neocon who wrote (12443)	5/8/2002 11:06:10 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

Jews are okay in their book, until they defend themselves like men I don't get your comparison with uppity blacks, suddenly asserting their rights and their equality. If anything, the world holds Israel's ability and courage to defend itself in exaggerated esteem. Blacks were David in their fight. Israel is Goliath. Maybe Israel feels like the underdog, but I don't think the world perceives it that way. The Israeli intelligence and military are regarded with awe. If you're talking about the assertiveness of a group producing a backlash of prejudice, yeah, that happens. People who are content to interact with individual members of a group may react differently when the individuals band together and display elements of a group culture that are not particularly apparent in the individuals. To take a benign example, teenagers, we all know individuals who are nice young men and ladies but when they gather together, the girls can't seem to do anything but giggle and Valley-talk and the boys make rude noises, break the furniture, and spew food all over the place. Groups of all kinds can take on unattractive qualities that foster attitudes about the group. These can, in turn, engender prejudice, like anti-Semitism, against members of the group because all individuals are assumed to have those unattractive group qualities. I don't see that going on in the reaction to Israel's defending itself against the suicide bombers. That, to me, seems a function of anti-Zionism--sympathy for pathetic people who were displaced as a result of Zionism who have no other means to fight back. That may be wrong-headed, but I just don't see anti-Semitism as the basis of it. None of which is to say that you're mistaken, only that what you're saying seems "off" and doesn't resonate with me. FWIW.