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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Mr. Whist who wrote (253887)	5/9/2002 1:38:27 PM
From: CYBERKEN	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769670

You have just demonstrated a complete misunderstanding of a quarter-millenium of enlightened thought. Why is no one surprised? What they are teaching in our bankrupt educational institutions is that the Founders were worthless because they weren't modern-day Clinton cultists/fanatics. Thus the trashing of the Founders and their ideals by your ilk in defense of a mentally disturbed and incredibly guilty criminal president was no trouble at all. The hypocritical pleading of Democrats every two years for the people to put the defense of liberty in their hands doesn't look absurd to them, because they are the enemy, and will stop at nothing to destroy an America they consider a disease. The American left must not simply be defeated, but destroyed. Their day is coming...

To: Mr. Whist who wrote (253887)	5/9/2002 3:51:32 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Flappy, it wasn't just "black people", but Irish, and many other people in the world that didn't have what we now enjoy as "liberty". In fact, doing some genealogy work recently on some of the 32 ggg-grandparents and earlier following on some of my Irish landowner ancestors...(and of course, there are some of the Protestant English lines that came to stay in Ireland as well....) One particular Irish landowner became a white slave sent to Barbados by Cromwell in 1647. Read their story sometime. There are still at least 50,000 unknown Irish bodies buried in Barbados. My ancestor eventually escaped, and came to America. He worked hard, had children, and eventually the family made a good life for themselves. You would recognize the name. 1642-1652 Civil War. 1649 Cromwell lands in Ireland; massacre of Drogheda and sack of Wexford. 1650 Catholic land owners exiled to Connaught. 1653 Cromwell's subjugation of Ireland complete. Irish landowners evicted and land handed over to Protestant settlers. 1656 More than 60,000 Irish Catholics had been sent as slaves to Barbados, and other islands of the Caribbean. 1672 Over 6,000 Irish boys and women sold as slaves since England gained control of Jamaica. members.tripod.com/pg4anna/hist.htm 1658: The population of Ireland,estimated at 1,500,000, before Cromwell, was reduced by two-thirds, to 500,000, at Cromwell's death in 1658. rootsweb.com "Liberty" for all is a rather recent phenomenon in America. Did black people have "liberty" from 1619-1865? Did women have "liberty" until they got the right to vote? "Liberty" is a constantly shifting abstract noun, so spare me, please.