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To: Ilaine who wrote (29350)	5/12/2002 9:09:43 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi CobaltBlue; Re: "As we drove around in his Porsche Boxster, he complained about overcrowding (if you have ever been to the Pacific Northwest, it is NOT crowded) and longed for a virus that would kill 90% of the population. He's an environmental lawyer." I'm damned glad that he's an environmental lawyer. -- Carl P.S. Now if he were into gene technology, then we'd have a problem. Over the long term, the Islamic fundamentalists are not a threat to this country. The people who believe that the earth would be a better place without the people are. Bioterror can be far worse than run of the mill terror. The anthrax attack was nothing.

To: Ilaine who wrote (29350)	5/12/2002 9:38:00 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

On the way, one of the men kept ranting about overcrowding, and how he wished a disease would kill 90% of the population. Sounds to me like Eugene would be a great place for these eco-wackos to act out their heart-felt desire... Hawk@longingtopurgetheeugeneoregongenepool.com

To: Ilaine who wrote (29350)	5/13/2002 12:57:38 AM
From: frankw1900	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

On the way, one of the men kept ranting about overcrowding, and how he wished a disease would kill 90% of the population. These folk are in the same fantasy land as the islamists. They refuse to admit human nature just as the islamists do, and even more madly, given that most of them are "educated', they refuse to admit the nature of nature, if I can coin a poor turn of phrase. At the end, their arguments are neither scientific nor ethical but aesthetic. I live in a very beautiful, clean, place not that far from Oregon - part of the reason it's beautiful and clean is that there's not many people here, yet. But beautiful and clean are not part of nature, they are part of human aesthetic nature. I've lived in very large cities and enjoyed them immensely because they are cities and have all the usual characteristics - dirty, noisy, energetic, aggressive, culturally exciting - these are also qualities which are part of human aesthetic nature. They aren't part of nature's nature which is best approached from a descriptive, scientific standpoint which doesn't use human aesthetic terminology. The immense selfishness and dogmatism of these people you came across, and of some similar folk I've encountered, is so breath taking that sometimes I shy away from looking at how evil it is. When I'm fully alert I ask them if they really want to live in a world with no vaccines, drugs, safe transportation to their distant relatives and eco-vacations, and with transportation by horses, oxen, windpower and camel, death by septicemia through minor injury, and with a host of ecological inconveniences such as no fresh food throughout half the year and isolation due to weather, because that is what the death of nine tenths of humanity will bring to them. Then it gets down and dirty. These folk are a tiny minority and are likely to stay that way because most humans refuse to join in a suicide pact and refuse to put their children at risk. Most folk here who actually meet these people despise them and for good reasons.

To: Ilaine who wrote (29350)	5/13/2002 9:19:39 AM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Respond to of 281500

He lives in Eugene, Oregon, a haven for eco-freaks. Over 15 years ago I heard a similar description of some of the fauna from that area from someone who'd lived in Eugene for a while, so it appears that a certain lunatic fringe is still alive and kicking; at least it's not completely new. Ted Kaczynski would fit right in with those oddballs...

To: Ilaine who wrote (29350)	5/14/2002 1:45:03 AM
From: Neeka	Respond to of 281500

As we drove around in his Porsche Boxster, he complained about overcrowding (if you have ever been to the Pacific Northwest, it is NOT crowded) and longed for a virus that would kill 90% of the population. He's an environmental lawyer. I also visited some nice vegans, and was taken to see many natural wonders. On the way, one of the men kept ranting about overcrowding, and how he wished a disease would kill 90% of the population. Reminds me of what my father used to tell us. "If half the worlds population died tomorrow, the other half would be glad of it." He was a 4th generation Washingtonian (the State). M