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To: tejek who wrote (147117)	5/14/2002 2:45:28 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1584353

Ted, How come its always Israel that is going to get destroyed but its the Palestinians with the higher death toll and greater degree of property damage? Just for moment can you stay neutral long enough to see the incongruity of your statement. The Palestinians are paying the dearer price for maintaining this conflict. Several reasons: - Palestinians are just the tip of the iceberg, they are trying to incite the Arab world, which can pose serious threat to Israel. - Israel is much more fragile than it seems. What makes it strong is support from the US, kind of unwritten understanding that the US will not allow Israel to be crushed. This sustains the Jews in Israel, otherwise, there would be threat that some would start to flee from Israel, and the snowball effect would seriously damage Israeli economy, which in turn pays for 1st class military - any kind of mixing of third world people into Israel ("right of return" of Palestians is one of the conditions of "peace") would destroy Israel. See Kosovo as example. Albanian with their birth rate turned Kosovo into a third world country, The Serbs fled the third world Albanians from Kosovo to Serbia, became a minority, and Kosovo subsequently imploded (with push by the US, but implosion with descend into third world was inevitable). The same would happen in Israel. Just one very small example is the Likud Party saying there can be no Palestinian state. You blow it off as if it were simple words spoken by an idiot savant. The Likud is currently the ruling party of Israel and one of its major parties. Since its inception, the Likud as been opposed to a free Palestinian state. You yourself admit that probably most Israelis agree. Saying this ignores the sequence of events. The population of Israel went in the big way for this "give peace a chance", voted for Labor with big margins. Likud became a bystander, a skeptic on the sideline (with exception of times when Labor nominated Peres as their prime minister. He always loses, no matter who the opponent is). It is the Palestinian terrorists and Arafat who proved Likud right (which is that Palestinians and Arafat cannot be trusted). Israeli citizens are not blind or stupid. They learned from their mistake (trusting Palestinians), and now they are skeptical. And yet you think it has little impact on the Palestinians? I not only think it has impact; I suspect its an affront to the Palestinians, and psses them off to know end.* Ok, there were all the wars, occupation, intifada etc. suspended by the Oslo negotiation which broke the cycle of violence - with a period of relative peace (almost unbelievable by Mid East standards). This was ended by resumption of war on Israel by Palestinians about a year or 2 ago. Now, are you saying that Palestinians did not understand that resumption of war on Israel means forfeiting any possibility of Palestinian state? They fully understand that. They could have had Palestinian state by now, but Palestinian State and peace is not what the extremists want. Arafat had a choice to either battle the extremists or be with them (meaning giving up on the Palestinian state). He chose to go with the extremists. His popularity took a serious beating while he was negotiating with Israel, and was at all time low at the time the agreement leading to Palestinian State was almost worked out. Seing that majority of Palestinians want war not peace, he reversed his direction, gave green light to new intifada, leaving the negotiators (and Clinton) stunned. Israel chose to move into the neighborhood and had nearly hundred years to get familiar with the texture and tone of its new neighbors before its independence. None of the current animosity can be a surprise. After 50+ years, it is a surprise to me. So to answer your question, yes, I can say we should cut off support to Israel and Palestine if they continue to threaten the stability of the Mideast region as well as the world. The Likud party continues to become more radicalized and along with suicide bombers, is one of several threats to the peace process in the Mideast. Again, you are assuming equal "guilt". But for the sake of argument, I will agree. So we cut to $0 the $100 we give to Israel and $10 we give to Palestinians. But you can be sure that not only will the Arab states not cut the $90 they give to Palestinians, they will increse it to $180, seing a possibility of achieving victory over Israel. And why would you treat the Palestinians as the Germans were treated.....talk about a lack of moral equivalency. Palestine has not set up death camps, its not invaded and annexed several countries, its not amassing at the Israeli border.......... It seems to me that the perception of the Palestinians tends to diverge from the reality of who they are, and is colored almost exclusively by the acts of the suicide bombers and Arafat. Arafat - I don't care about. But homicide bombers - definitely. I want them killed, crushed, defeated, and with them ALL their supporters. Anything Israel or anyone else does to crush them, to kill them is fine with me. I see the militant Islam in the same light as Nazi Germany. 9/11 may be like 1933. The militant Islam needs to be crushed, and why not do it while it is still weak? Do you want to wait until the frontline of the battle with militant Islam moves to America? Wait, it already has. What do you want to wait for? I have no problem seing a bullet through the head of every Palestinian celebrating 9/11. And if it does not happen, chances that some bullet will go through your head or mine go up. Joe