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To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (30016)	5/18/2002 6:03:37 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Okay, KC, you and your buddies got that one wrong. Here's another problem the USA is producing for itself by believing their own propaganda. Hu Jintao and China are civilizing influences in the world. If you make his life hard, the USA will live to regret having done so. Which is not to say that Taiwan should be left to the tender mercies of Beijing's bosses or that human rights in China are up to the standards I like. They aren't up to my standards in the USA either. [Or in NZ if anyone thinks that's relevant]. It was a mistake to send Zhu Rongji back to China empty-handed a couple of years ago and it was a mistake to bomb the Chinese embassy in Belgrade [I'm not convinced it was a mistake - how hard can it be to put a big red "Do not bomb" sign on the maps]. China is less a strategic competitor of the USA [or NZ] than it is a business partner and customer - they buy CDMA for example and will produce $$billions of it for sale to third parties. They buy $$billions from Taiwan and Taiwan invests $$billions in China. They are not keen on Moslem terrorism. They are in favour of civilization. They invented it! [Not that Mao's era was what I'd call civilized] Here's another burden the USA is preparing for itself; scoffing at the idea of the United Nations and readers here are participants in creating the environment which will result in a nuclear attack on a USA city by supporting and allowing the continuation of international anarchy. FADG is in favour of opposing a reformation of the United Nations and forming an international legal system. Which is not to say that the present UN structure, policies or actions has got much to recommend it. The Kyoto CO2 controls are an example of wackiness and GeorgeW is doing the right things in my book [I'm pleasantly surprised]. The point is a reconstituted UN is necessary. The USA is in a position to lead the necessary changes. You can check back in 10 or 15 years and see if you think I'm right. Assuming that you aren't one of the dead, of which there are going to be many as mayhem continues around the world. A WAT isn't the answer. It's a necessary action as a result of previous mistakes, but like execution of vicious criminals, it doesn't cut off the supply lines before a lot of damage is done. It just stops them doing more [some of them anyway]. Mqurice

To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (30016)	5/19/2002 12:34:25 AM
From: Climber	Respond to of 281500

Killer, I disagree: But in all fairness , no one ever thought these freedom fighters would ever turn around and bite us in the arse as terrorists... This possibility was openly discussed in the Middle East in the 1980s. The Saudis knew precisely the intentions of the jihadis who were getting CIA support. The Afghan Arabs (Mujahideen) were first and foremost religious warriors whose intent was to create a pan-Islamic military aimed at restoring the Caliphate. They were openly hostile to the West, and moderate Saudis were confounded that we would support them with arms and money. "They will come after you next," was a phrase that was heard over and over. That Ronald Reagan and George Shultz failed to "connect the dots" is a blunder we're living with still. Climber