To: Rambi who wrote (62655 ) 5/20/2002 9:40:26 AM From: Crocodile Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 71178 Your Canadian roses sound large and scary. Like the ones around Sleeping Beauty's castle keeping out the world. Actually, you're very right about this. There is a series of Rugosa roses (Explorer series) that were developed up here and they do tend to be a little on the rambunctious side. Most are large, rugged roses which have old-fashioned blossoms.. some like the cabbage roses, some with wild single petal formations. I have a few of those here. Also have some of the older roses from England and France. The one that I did battle with yesterday is an old French variety, Blanc Double de Coubert , which is also a Rugosa. I think it's supposed to grow to about 6 feet tall, but the canes grow much longer.. I cut a few back that were an easy 9-12 feet long. In summer it is covered with a continuous mass of very fragrant semi-double white flowers. The only problem with it is that it is very prolific and sends up new shoots several feet from the original plant. I have a similar pink one named, of all things, Delicata , an old English variety of Rugosa, and it is not at all in character with its name. Incredible highly fragrant double blossoms though. I don't grow very many modern rose varieties here as I don't use sprays and so on. It's the old varieties that are the toughest and most disease-resistant, so I stick to those ones. BTW, yesterday I went for a hike in Frontenac Park near Kingston. Wonderful place with many miles of trails over the rugged terrain of the Canadian Shield. Hiked about 5 miles and shot about 100 photos of ferns, fungi, lichens, moss, bog plants, wild columbines growing out of chinks in marble cliff outcroppings, and even a few of some coyote scat -- shot those for a friend who studies such things. Anyhow, it was a great day. Just the kind of day I live all the other ones for. (o: