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To: Win Smith who wrote (30587)	5/24/2002 12:31:01 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

And what did JohnM get for posting Kristof's take in #reply-17482400 ? I can't believe you bothered to post Kristof's trifling piece You know, Win, I'll really thank you 1) not to put words in my mouth, and 2) to respond directly to my posts, not to just sideswipe and sneer at them. My own posts have never promoted this "cocktail circuit" line that Arafat had been offered everything in a wildly generous offer and turned it down. In fact, most of the so-called bloviating pundits whom I've posted never took this line either, it's a straw man. The line that I and others took, led by the information of President Clinton, Dennis Ross, and Shlomo Ben Ami, who are in a position to know, is that Barak and Clinton made a series of damn serious offers, culminating in an offer of 95% of the territory, and that Arafat refused to negotiate in return (defining "negotiation" in the usual sense of making counter-proposals) -- at the table, that is. He chose instead to negotiate in the street with the bombs and guns and terror of the second intifada. The Israelis did not accept this method of negotiation as legitimate, and this is the conflict that is being fought out today. I called Kristof's column "trifling" because all he did was to set up the straw man and knock it down, ignoring what I consider the main parameters of the conflict.