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To: jttmab who wrote (13812)	6/1/2002 4:10:37 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

Try to dig up UK stories on chains and pick ups trucks and barbed wire. Perhaps it's as bigoted but simply less violent in its expression of bigotry. Karen

To: jttmab who wrote (13812)	6/1/2002 4:21:38 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

LE PEN! LE PEN! LE PEN! LE PEN! LE PEN! LE PEN! LE PEN! LE PEN! LE PEN! LE PEN! Yes, I know that was France and he only got 20%. About what he would pick up here. And then there was Fortuyn, also recent. Reminds one of that governor of Alabama who decided to run for President and got shot, doesn't it? Except this is more than 30 years later.

To: jttmab who wrote (13812)	6/1/2002 4:30:27 PM
From: E	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 21057

I didn't say bigotry is dead. Try to dig up UK stories on chains and pick ups trucks and barbed wire. By comparison to the US, it's a hell of a lot better. No, you didn't say "Bigotry is dead," but you did say, "If you treat people with dignity [and don't kill them], you can make ethnic jokes, etc. without people over reacting." My point was simple, and it wasn't that the UK is a less violent society than ours, it was that the claim that in the UK "you treat people with dignity" is kind of dubious. The horrible "barbed wire" crime against the gay man you cited aroused enormous horror on the part of the American public. I'm sure that such reports as these of deaths and dismemberments of gays in Britain had the same effect there: lesbianinformationservice.org