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To: Don Pueblo who wrote (261638)6/6/2002 3:25:31 PM
From: greenspirit  Respond to of 769667
 
Maa'n I love when you get going!

Right on the money as usual TLC.



To: Don Pueblo who wrote (261638)6/6/2002 3:31:51 PM
From: Don Hurst  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
Gee, I hope you feel better.

Also, I hope your "business" survived while you were "performing" this diatribe.



To: Don Pueblo who wrote (261638)6/6/2002 4:40:57 PM
From: Thomas A Watson  Respond to of 769667
 
Good post, well written with flawless analysis.

tom watson tosiwmee



To: Don Pueblo who wrote (261638)6/6/2002 4:48:37 PM
From: Neeka  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
BRAVO!

TOUCHE'

CLAP, CLAP, CLAP.

ENCORE!

M ;)



To: Don Pueblo who wrote (261638)6/6/2002 4:50:33 PM
From: J_F_Shepard  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
" I work twice as hard as you do. I work around 80-100 hours a week. And I don't get paid a friggin' dime unless I perform, because I own the business."

If you are really working 14.3 hours/day over a 7 day week I hope you're getting paid commensurate with the effort you're putting in. If you're not, I sincerely suggest you try a new line of work. On the basis of a 100 hour week what do you get paid an hour? Don't you have a family, another life? And it's always been my philosophy that if you consider your job work you're not a happy camper. I had a 37 year career in my field but only think I worked about 6 or 7 years (my unhappy years).



To: Don Pueblo who wrote (261638)6/6/2002 4:56:20 PM
From: Mr. Whist  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Re: "I would humbly point out to you that the guy who started that company where you work probably worked twice as hard as you have for twice the time you have."

The guy who started the company has been dead for decades. If he came back today he'd be appalled at some of the standard operating procedures and the way that the rank and file are getting shafted.

Re: "You collect a salary and you goof off. That's my point .... I work twice as hard as you do, sir. Guaranteed, I work twice as hard as you do. I work around 80-100 hours a week."

Sounds like self-righteous bullshit to me.

Total posts on SI:

Cluckie: 14,047
Flapjack: 5,937

In fact, you "work" twice as hard goofing off.

Re: "Nobody owes you one damn thing ... society you and I live in has pretty much lost itself at this point ... nobody locked their doors ... everybody went to church ... bla bla bla."

So what's the answer? Legislating our way back to 1955? Go preach your right-wing sermons on Sunday mornings. I don't have time to read all of your self-righteous claptrap. Put it in a book and sell it on newsmax.com: "Cluckie's Lamentations on What's Wrong with America ... and How We Can Re-create 1955 All Over Again."

It's too bad that June and Ward Cleaver are dead.

But, hey, as they say, life goes on.



To: Don Pueblo who wrote (261638)6/6/2002 11:47:41 PM
From: bonnuss_in_austin  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Your 'business,' TLC? Daytrading, correct?

No wonder you're so pissed off.

-g-

Directing your rage towards working people such as flapjack and myself, as a self-employed communications consultant, is quite odd, IMO.

The 'leaders' you RWE choose as heroes are raping you blind, in case you haven't noticed ...

Check this out:

Chart of Bush Crony Profits From Estate Tax Revamp
truthout.org

And you'll note that these calculations would not include their offshore accounts, of course.

bia



To: Don Pueblo who wrote (261638)6/7/2002 3:27:02 AM
From: KLP  Respond to of 769667
 
Thanks TLC.... Your post is a William Tell Bullseye....and some of the folks will never "get the point".....

You can send some folks to school, and they just eat the pages....



To: Don Pueblo who wrote (261638)6/8/2002 8:03:49 AM
From: MSI  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
I'm with you here - "This society you and I live in has pretty much lost itself at this point. In my opinion, it's immoral. TV is fights, porn, and mind altering prescription drugs. You're old enough to remember back when "nobody" locked their cars or their front doors, "nobody" swore on television, and "everybody" went to church on Sunday."

But then, "Why do you think things are different now? " is the key question.

I don't think it's unions.

But I also own a tech company, and none of my employees are unionized, so maybe I don't qualify for an opinion on that. I get pissed off at laziness, fire the bozos, and consider water seeks its own level, as far as personal compensation goes... I see the degradation of our society as having a national cause starting before Nixon, because that's the first liar and crook I remember, and a lawlessness that continues to this day, with disregard for fundamental American values, cynical covert deception in high places, and increasing militarization and taxation.

That bureacratic entanglement, and willingness to deceive, makes things like LBJ's Great Society become a source of further lies and lack of initiative, paying people to make excuses, whether welfare or the military, covered over by the media. Heinlein said, "90% of everything is b.s.", certainly true with bureacracies like today's fight over Homeland Secretary, huge budget, 140,000 people, but less responsibility, not more. Citizen's education is lacking, public media is lacking, and leadership is woefully lacking the means and will to improve either. The excuse-making has become the primary purpose for government -- there is no outcome-based government, except for lobbyist parasites who write the laws for our lawmakers.

Certainly the leadership we have in Washington is an embarassment to anyone interested in either good government or good education. The last administration was beset with political pornographers delighting in disgusting the public for political advantage, damaging the public arena for any substantive discussion, and winning the next election. There are plenty of things to win elections on, especially with the last administration, there certainly was no reason to stoop to pornography. That was hypocracy.

So, the question is how to improve things, that have gotten to the point of not just bureacracy but terrorism.

First, dismantle secret government. Reform the intel services, and make it illegal to tamper with the media with government dollars. Mindf* the US public with their own tax dollars isn't very American. Political ads are bad enough. We don't need tampering with the news.

Second, make full disclosure outcomes of every program, not just the propaganda. From education to worldwide militarization, what are the results? In Columbia, what did $1.4 Billion buy? 25% more drug production, that's what. And on and on.
It's the rape of the American taxpayer by kids in the military candy store, making excuses and lying about outcomes.

It's up to the public to be aware. But without getting the government's cladestine operatives out of the media, and unleashing the watchdogs of independent non-military-conglomerate-owned media, we'll get more of the same.

Not to just pick on foreign intel-types like the Moonies, or the CIA, but this is your money at work, corrupting American values in as powerful a way as tv violence, for example:

sonic.net
salon.com
geocities.com
thomasash.hypermart.net

"By 1953, the dirty tricks department of the CIA had grown to 7,200 personnel and commanded 74 percent of the CIA's total budget. The following quotes describe the culture of lawlessness that pervaded the CIA:

Stanley Lovell, a CIA recruiter for "Wild Bill" Donovan: "What I have to do is to stimulate the Peck's Bad Boy beneath the surface of every American scientist and say to him, 'Throw all your normal law-abiding concepts out the window. Here's a chance to raise merry hell. Come help me raise it.'" (1)

George Hunter White, writing of his CIA escapades: "I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun... Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steal, rape and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the all-highest?" (2)

A retired CIA agency caseworker with twenty years experience: "I never gave a thought to legality or morality. Frankly, I did what worked."
Blessed with secrecy and lack of congressional oversight, CIA operations became corrupt almost immediately. Using propaganda stations like Voice of America and Radio Free Europe, the CIA felt justified in manipulating the public for its own good. The broadcasts were so patently false that for a time it was illegal to publish transcripts of them in the U.S. This was a classic case of a powerful organization deciding what was best for the people, and then abusing the powers it had helped itself to."