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To: Kevin Rose who wrote (262437)	6/9/2002 9:23:48 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Interesting post Kevin, and I agree with much of what you said. However, if the same conditions existed in the 60's, which exist today toward the separation of church and state, Martin Luther King would have never been allowed to walk down the steps of the church and into the public arena. He would have been branded a "fundemantalist christian right wing fanatic" trying to impose his moral values on the rest of us. It's interesting to note that Martin Luther King saw the entire civil right "movement", as a movement aligned to his christian values. His deeply held christian belief's gave him the strength to overcome adversary and carry his message into our conscience. Since he was giving that message largely to a christian audience, the message took root, and we re-examined whether we were truly acting as christians toward our black brothers and sisters. Had he given the message to secularists, it may not have taken root. And we may have delayed our development as a just society for decades.

To: Kevin Rose who wrote (262437)	6/9/2002 10:27:11 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Just out of curiousity were you raised in a religious setting? I was around Presbyterian and various protestant churches, got an award from the Masons, got married in the Catholic church and now infrequently attend Mass. I think the founding fathers wanted a "moral" country and had no examples save what they would deem religious morals and these were predominately from the Judaeo-Christian ethic. Some founders were Christian and some were Deists. There is certainly no doubt in reading the early documents that God was a part of this country. The debate over church state is somehow intertwined with the free speech and religious speech issue. One side seems to be saying that all reference to religions should be avoided in relation to government. The other side is saying religious speech IS free speech and to deter it is unconstitutional. If the institution of the Christian religion was a goal it would have much more easily been accomplished in the past. Since it was not and this country has been very tolerant of religious differences it is hard to understand the offense people take at seeing the 10 Commandments. It's not as if those words have had anything but a good material effect on the country as well as it's immigrant population, Christian or otherwise. I never hear a material objection to the substance of the commandments, just a generally stated offense because they relate to Judaism and Christianity. They are probably very much aligned with other faiths. There is probably no place the battle is more played out than in public schools. The best solution is to give each side their preference (and their money back) by eliminating state schools. It would kill off a lot of bureaucracy at the same. time. Win Win