To: Hardly B. Solipsist who wrote (5985 ) 6/10/2002 9:34:00 AM From: hueyone Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6974 So saying "why did LE get paid so much last year when the company didn't do well" is a little misleading. Ok, you have got a point, but it can also be argued that the only relevant numbers occur at the time of exercise and that exercise is the actual moment of compensation.Do you know when the options that Siebel sold were granted? No. Perhaps it is in the proxy or 10K, but I haven't figured it out yet. If am reading this proxy correctly, Tom Siebel was granted an additional 7.95 million options during the 2001 fiscal yearkeep in mind that the accounting change you appear to want would have underreported the expense If you are referring to the Levin/McCain bill as the accounting change, you could possibly be wrong. I suspect corporations are currently taking an expense with the IRS (which we don't see) that equals the difference between the market price and strike price at time of exercise. This is different than using the Black Scholes estimates at time of grant. Since the Levin/McCain bill would require consistency with regard to what is reported to the IRS and what is reported to shareholders, I suspect Larry's entire 706 million compensation expense may have been picked up under the new law and reported to investors for the fiscal 2001 year as an expense. I believe there is another nuance with the Levin/McCain bill. It does not actually tell Corporations what method they have to use to determine the stock option compensation expense, nor does it even directly require corporations to expense stock option compensation. I believe it merely says that corporations can only take the compensation expense with the IRS to the same extent that they are reporting the compensation expense to shareholders. My thought is that corporations will want to continue to get the cash flow tax benefit from exercise of stock options that they are currently getting with the IRS, so corporations will likely report the cost as determined by the difference between the strike price and exercise price to both shareholders and the IRS. I could be wrong though. levin.senate.gov Snip: It's time to end the stock option double standard. The Levin-McCain-Fitzgerald-Durbin-Dayton bill would not legislate accounting standards for stock options or directly require companies to expense stock option pay, but it would require companies to treat stock options on their tax returns the exact same way they treat them on their financial statements. In other words, a company's stock option tax deduction would have to mirror the stock option expense shown on the company's books. If there is no stock option expense on the company books, there can be no expense on the company tax return. If a company declares a stock option expense on its books, then the company can deduct exactly the same amount in the same year on its tax return. The bill would require companies to tell Uncle Sam and their stockholders the same thing – whether employee stock options are an expense and, if so, how much of an expense against company earnings. Enron has already shown how much damage, if not corrected, that the existing stock option double standard can inflict on company bookkeeping, investor confidence and tax fairness. Best, Huey