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To: amadeus who wrote (58109)6/15/2002 12:54:15 PM
From: X Y Zebra  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 208838
 
I'm beginning to think that it drives the nasdaq as much as it reflects it....

...I suppose the question regarding QQQ and the nasdaq, is it the chicken or the egg? or maybe its mcnuggets...


Well... I have agreed with that view for a long time.

George Soros has his Reflexivity Theory... He described it in his book Alchemy of Finance.

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I call the passive relationship the “cognitive function” and the active relationship the “participating function,” and the interaction between the two functions I call “reflexivity.” Reflexivity is, in effect, a two-way feedback mechanism in which reality helps shape the participants’ thinking and the participants’ thinking helps shape reality in an unending process in which thinking and reality may come to approach each other but can never become identical. Knowledge implies a correspondence between statements and facts, thoughts and reality, which is not possible in this situation. The key element is the lack of correspondence, the inherent divergence, between the participants’ views and the actual state of affairs. It is this divergence, which I have called the “participant’s bias,” which provides the clue to understanding the course of events. That, in very general terms, is the gist of my theory of reflexivity.

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I am thrilled by the possibility that I may have reached a profound new insight, but I am also scared because such claims are usually made by insane people and there are many more insane people in the world than there are people who have reached a profound new insight. I wonder whether my insight has an objective validity or only a subjective significance.

That is why I am so eager to submit my ideas to a critical examination and that is why I find the present situation, where I am taken so seriously but my theory is not, so frustrating. As I have said before, the theory of reflexivity has received practically no serious consideration. It is treated as the self-indulgence of a man who made a lot of money in the stock market. It is generally summed up by saying that markets are influenced by psychological factors, and that is pretty trite. But that is not what the theory says. It says that, in certain cases, the participants’ bias can change the fundamentals which are supposed to determine market prices.

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more details here...

soros.org

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From a review:

"Reflexivity" is more a case of instability taking on a life of its own that may or may not be positive. The essential element is that a feedback process is set in motion that is the exact opposite of an equilibrium seeking system. A boom in stock prices will tend to get more extreme as it progresses making new capital abnormally cheap, encouraging excess investment and giving a false picture of real demand.

In a sense, the first stages square with the traditional equilibrium seeking concepts of entry and exit but the latter stages are shown by Soros to be the destabilising aspects - as he says, "My point is that there are occasions when the bias affects not only market prices but also the so-called fundamentals. This is when reflexivity becomes important."


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To: amadeus who wrote (58109)6/18/2002 1:37:31 AM
From: amadeus  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 208838
 
index manipulation by hedge funds,

any thoughts on this?
saw a mention today on CNBC by the guy
from UBS as I recall, who talked about
how the hedge funds are so well capitalized
right now, that they are able to manipulate
the indexes (like the nasdaq, using ETFs like QQQ)
and exaggerate the volatility and the movements
for greater gains.

sure looked like what was happening to me especially on Friday,
with that sharp momentary drop to 26.20 and the sharp bounce which followed..
finance.yahoo.com

and a continuation with the bounce today.
and of course all perfectly timed with the slew of downgrades that hit Friday as well.

naz looks more and more like the penny stock trading environment all the time...
course a lot of em are true pennies by now I guess anyway..
and many more soon to be delisted to the OTC as well