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To: TimF who wrote (32668)	6/19/2002 1:47:55 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Look what is on the cnn.com site about the latest attack: Updated: 01:31 p.m. EDT (1731 GMT) -- 19 June 2002 6 killed in Jerusalem terror attack Israeli police say at least six people were killed today when a suicide bomber set off a blast at a bus stop in Jerusalem. Ambulance services say at least 35 people are hurt. It was the second terror attack in Jerusalem in two days. Sources in Gaza said the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a militant wing of Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, was responsible for the attack. Notice anything unusual? "Terror attack" with no scare quotes? "Suicide bomber" with no mention of "Al Aqsa militants" or "activists"? Methinks CNN is doing some CYA, distancing itself from Ted Turner's comments.

To: TimF who wrote (32668)	6/19/2002 2:15:12 PM
From: arun gera	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>India makes noises about attacking Pakistan despite the fact that Pakistan has nukes and the fact that the damage done by Pakistani supported terrorists is a lot less then the types of damage Bilow and I where talking about.> Have you really compared the absolute numbers in Israel and Kashmir? Israel gets much larger coverage. Here is what has been happening in Kashmir on a daily basis for over 10 years, peaking around 1995-96. Couple gunned down in Chadoora 2 militants among 5 killed in Valley KT NEWS SERVICE SRINAGAR, June 18: Five persons including two militants were killed in different militancy related incidents across valley since yesterday evening. Unconfirmed reports said two BSF jawans were killed and two wounded. A Hizb militant was killed in an encounter with BSF at Chattripora in Pulwama. A BSF head constable and a civilian were injured while another militant was arrested. (Unconfirmed reports, however, said two BSF men were killed and two injured in the shoot-out). A BSF spokesman said, a BSF party of 104 Bn raided a militant hideout in the village after receiving specific information about their presence. The militants were asked to surrender but they resorted to fire at the jawans, he said. In the ensuing encounter Fayaz Ahmad Wani of Panzoo village in Pulwama, a Hizb company commander was killed. The spokesman said the deceased was a wanted militant and carrying a reward of Rs 50,000 on his head. Nizam Alam, BSF head constable, received bullet injuries in his right thigh, he added. The injured civilian was identified as Manzoor Ahmad. A militant was killed and two houses raised to ground in a fierce encounter between militants and troops of 7 RR and SOG at Renipora, Achabal in Anantnag. Reports said troops laid a cordon of the village and asked holed up militants to surrender. A fierce encounter followed which continued for hours and an unidentified militant was killed. Two houses belonging to Abdul Rahman Kochay and Mohammad Ismael were damaged in the mortor shelling. A husband wife duo were killed by unidentified gunmen at Jedbaran village in Chadoora. Reports said gunmen barged into the house of Gulam Qadir Geera, late in the evening yesterday. The family was taking dinner. Qadir was called out and altercation followed. Gunmen resorted to indiscriminate firing killing Qadir and his wife. Police today recovered the body of Fayaz Ahmad Mir, an accounts officer from Shadipora, Sumbal. Fayaz was earlier abducted by unidentified persons from his residence at HMT locality. Panic gripped the Residency Road after a grenade was lobbed by an unidentified militant at a BSF party. One BSF man received splinter injuries. A militant was hiding in Pratap park as he tossed his grenade towards BSF men opposite press colony. The grenade exploded in air, leading to injury to one BSF man. BSF men fired several shots in air and traffic remained suspended for some time. Meanwhile, a shutdown was observed in Tral township against the arrest of Showkat Ahmad Batkoo, a shopkeeper. He was arrested by SOG men. 4 killed in Valley KT NEWS SERVICE SRINAGAR, June 17 : Four persons were killed in militancy related incidents in Valley since last evening. Police said unidentified militants slayed two persons at Sedaw village in Shopian tehsil. They were identified as 60 year old Abdul Gani Ganai, numberdar and 28 year old contractor Farooq Ahmad Ekasi. The deceased were kidnapped from their respective residences on gun point last night. They were slaughtered and bodies cut into pieces. According to a local news agency CNS, Abdul Gani Ganai had demanded a security camp in his village to army authorities in view of the militants movement there. Farooq Ekasi was close to local MLA. Police said an unidentified militant was killed in an encounter with security forces at Kreeri-Pattan. A foreign militant was killed under identical circumstances at Lohar- Gali in Dardpora-Kupwara. He was identified as Abu Sayeed of Gujarnawalah-Pakistan and belonged to Lashkar-e-Toiba. According to CNS, some bullets fired by security forces hit a shrine at Bandipora. The security personnel fearing militant movement resorted to indiscriminate firing. Some bullets hit the roof of the shrine.

To: TimF who wrote (32668)	6/20/2002 6:25:58 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi twfowler; Re "India makes noises about attacking Pakistan despite the fact that Pakistan has nukes and the fact that the damage done by Pakistani supported terrorists is a lot less then the types of damage Bilow and I where talking about." History is replete with examples of countries beginning wars that kill millions as revenge for the deaths of dozens. WW1 is a great example. -- Carl P.S. I don't mean to be making a morality statement on this, simply a statement of fact. By the way, as far as comparing Israel's ability to defend itself from the Arabs with India's ability to defend itself from Pakistan, one need only look at the population of India (170x larger than Israel) in order to realize that there are substantial differences in the situation. India is most definitely not going to go away.