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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: MSI who wrote (265446)	6/19/2002 11:36:44 PM
From: gao seng	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

I must disagree. Government serves the people, and not the other way around. A big all powerful all seeing omnipotent government sounds great. But, it is also impersonal and robotic. You may think that is also desirable, I don't.

To: MSI who wrote (265446)	6/19/2002 11:47:16 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

GEORGE BUSH'S AMERICA: TOXIC SLUDGE IS GOOD FOR FISH MSI, I'm impressed. Even the Moonies are dealing with the reality that the Bush team has warped the truth into confounding doublespeak and duplicity: washingtontimes.com EPA says toxic sludge is good for fish By Audrey Hudson THE WASHINGTON TIMES The Army Corps of Engineers' dumping of toxic sludge into the Potomac River protects fish by forcing them to flee the polluted area and escape fishermen, according to an internal Environmental Protection Agency document. The document says it is not a "ridiculous possibility" that a discharge "actually protects the fish in that they are not inclined to bite (and get eaten by humans) but they go ahead with their upstream movement and egg laying." The House Resources Committee will hold a hearing today on the sludge dumping, first reported by The Washington Times, calling in top Cabinet officials to explain why they allow it. "To suggest that toxic sludge is good for fish because it prevents them from being caught by man is like suggesting that we club baby seals to death to prevent them from being eaten by sharks. It's ludicrous," said Rep. George P. Radanovich, California Republican and chairman of the subcommittee on national parks, recreation and public lands. "This is one of the most frightening examples of bureaucratic ineptitude and backward logic I have ever seen," Mr. Radanovich said. A spokesman for the EPA was not available to comment on the document, which was included in the administrative record. The federal agency used that information to allow the dumpings through the C&O Canal National Park and into the Potomac, a designated American Heritage river. The Corps began the discharges in 1989 under a permit issued by the EPA, but the permit expired in 1993. The Corps was allowed to continue dumping under the expired permit until this year. A new permit was issued in March. The National Wilderness Institute is suing the EPA to stop the discharges, which they say violate the Endangered Species Act. The EPA shared the document with the National Wilderness Institute as part of the court process. The author is not named. The document instructs officials to focus less on the concerns of fishermen who say the sludge dumping is killing fish and more on the ability of the fish to complete their spawn without interference from the discharges. The Corps dumps 200,000 tons of "toxic sludge" into the river every year in violation of the Clean Water Act and Endangered Species Act, according to the House committee. William Colley, a retired environmental engineer who worked for the EPA for 29 years, said he was removed from leading the new permit process in 1999 after advocating eliminating the discharges. "I had written the permit, public notice, draft fact sheet and had everything ready for the permit to be issued, and the effluent limits I developed for the permit were such they would have had to terminate the discharges," Mr. Colley told The Washington Times yesterday. Mr. Colley took over the permit process in 1997 and said his predecessor also believed that the discharges should be stopped. Mr. Colley said he made it clear "the discharges are illegal and violate the Clean Water Act and EPA regulations." Mr. Radanovich yesterday sent a letter to the White House asking the administration to clean up the "environmental disaster" inherited from its predecessors. "Some of the same EPA officials who decided not to forbid the dumping are still committed to giving special treatment to this plant. Their intransigence now threatens to link your administration to the indefensible notion that Washington, D.C., should be exempt from the environmental laws that are enforced throughout the country," Mr. Radanovich said in the letter.

To: MSI who wrote (265446)	6/20/2002 12:45:05 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 769667

I have to agree...... >>Individuals at the top corporate and government positions mistake the resources they deal with as their own personal property, whether it be corporate cash or government and military power. That is a mistake that needs to be slapped down, hard, with all the rules against self-dealing, profiteering, fraud, obstruction of justice, and so forth, and heads need to roll, including prison terms, all the way to the top most levels, to send a signal to the rest of the huge bureacracy that the people are the owners, not the bureacrats.>> The core seed of this claim-distrust control mindset has to be sown somehere, somehow and in someway. >>The core seed of this claim, blame and shame fascist attitude originates with this ONE World financial mafia that believes everyone in the entire world is to be it's slaves.>> The greater Islamic world believes usery - ie. charging of interest on nothing which is the core basis of all debt-based fractional reserve funny money systems - to be immoral. If you read ancient scripture in the Old Testement this same judgment of immorality applied. But somehow as a society, world and people we've lost our sense of what is right or wrong in this space. Debt-based fractional reserve systems are all based on the priviledge of an elite few to not only have the power to control the money but charge immoral interest on their blank check right to create money out of thin air NOTHING!! Do your own research on the matter. There's a wealth of information out there to confirm the fundamental truths about the massive fraud behind our current financial system. I believe this system as it relates to the U.S. dollar is in the process of completely imploding from the weight of this fraud. I expect inflation here to be worse than it was in Germany. And this is the year that everything will point downward to reveal that this has been their plan all along to destroy our country through debauching our currency. 119293!!