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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (361)	6/20/2002 11:41:40 AM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 770

Beautiful post!

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (361)	6/20/2002 5:56:49 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 770

Chinu. You said....." Amein, I see the struggle of the Palestenian people similar to the war of Independence in India against the British colonial rule."..... I disagree. Other than people getting killed I don't how it is similar. The British were a foreign power and had overstayed their welcome...If ever they were welcome. The Jews have existed in that area which is now the state of Israel for thousands of years and belong there. When the Indians fought the British did they first teach their kids from birth that it is the will of allah,God, etc. to strap bombs on themselves and go out and murder as many innocent people as they could. Did Hindu's kill innocent people in the name of religion.? You said..." They foisted Gandhi, negotiated the independence with him and finally left. I see the same thing happening here in Israel. Or at least I hope and the reason I say so is that the British were humane folks. I am not sure of the Israelis. So far they have exhibited barbaric behavior. Very inhuman."..... That is truly an unbelievable statement from you. The Israeli forces do everything they can to avoid hurting innocent people and the arab/pals do everything they can to murder as many innocent people as they can. You said...." They refuse to stop and think what aspirations drive someone to leave his/her family folks behind and kill himself/herself."..... They know why they do it. Everyone who is not a arab/muslim terrorist sympathizer no why these young people murder innocent people...Religious hatred. Question for you. How many generations of young arab/pals have been indoctrinated to murder by religious nut cases? And when and if peace is reached between the arab/pals and the state of Israel what will all of those young people who have been taught to hate and murder do with themselves. Will they just forget their lifelong training and their hatred of Jews? Will they embrace Jews as their neighbours and economic partners? Can they turn off the religious hatred they have been taught? NO. This is not at all like the the Indians fighting to force the British out of their country. IMO. the arabs have made a terrible mistake teaching their young people hatred. What Israel is now going through with the arab/pals is what India went through when they fought the muslims who invaded their country and killed millions and millions of Hindus.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (361)	6/21/2002 9:48:14 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 770

So was the non-violent Gandhi a fraud? He was just a stooge for the British? It's a serious question. Perhaps a case could be made the Brits wanted to drop India like a hot potato - administering it was too much trouble and expense to a country weakened by WWII, and they used Gandhi as a face-saving way to avoid Britain being blamed for the human catastrophe that followed independence. I know that after the Brits walked away, the Hindus, Moslems, and Sikks slaughtered one another by the millions. Didn't about ten million or so men, women and children die by being beaten to death, torn apart by hand, etc.? Suggests to me the Indians weren't so ready to be free. If you were an adult at that time, would you have been a supporter of Bose or Gandhi? India adopted the same means that the Palestenians are adopting currently. The Indian freedom fighters fought against the British, burned public buses, bombed courts and did everything to challenge and disrupt the British authority. Now the British called them terrorist. So the Indians seeking independence blew up buses with Brit school children on them? They bombed British during their religious services, in their grocery stores and restaurants? They blew up British children outside ice cream parlors? I thought they reserved that sort of barbarity for other Indians based on ancient religious hatreds. ... Israelis. So far they have exhibited barbaric behavior. Very inhuman. Kind of ironic observation. Compared to Indo-Pakistan, they are pikers at barbarism, looks to me. ... what aspirations drive someone to leave his/her family folks behind and kill himself/herself. Maybe its because their families encourage them. Excuse me for being cynical, perhaps the bounty the families receive after a young person is induced to engage in a suicide attack has something to do with it.