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To: E who wrote (15070)	6/20/2002 2:24:33 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

Facts of the case (according to MSNBC TV): A retarded man (IQ 59) got a gun, kidnapped a man, forced him to got to an ATM and withdraw money, took the money, forced the man to drive to an isolated field and walk out into the field some distance, shot the man 8 times, killing him, then drove back into town with his loot. He later confessed to police. No premeditation? No understanding of what he was doing? Then why go to an isolated field? Why not the police station and shoot him in front of the cops? I used to be the Death Penalty Campaign Coordinator for the Amnesty International chapter in my county. Why does that not surprise me? :-) LIBERAL, LIBERAL, LIBERAL! NYAH, NYAH, NYAH!

To: E who wrote (15070)	6/20/2002 2:33:24 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 21057

Has not this concept of incarceration struck you as rather odd? Lock 'em up in little cages? Why? It used to be that if you committed a crime, you would locked in the stocks, whipped, or hung, depending on the severity. What wouldn't happen is that you would get a long vacation at the King's expense. Where did this come from? In the 19th century, some religious groups formed the idea that if crooks were simply allowed to meditate on their deeds in isolation for long enough, they would see the errors of their ways and reform. (Hence "penitentiary" from "penitent".) Initially, all the prisoners were in what is now called isolation- -they were not allowed to speak to or see other people. It has really worked great, hasn't it? Now prison is known as graduate school for criminals. I remember a History Channel program on this topic. It quoted a prisoner saying, roughly "Who dreamed up this bizarre system? This is totally crazy. They must have been insane." Speaking od insanity.