SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Strategies & Market Trends : Winter in the Great White North -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: marcos who wrote (2463)6/22/2002 10:12:52 PM
From: ralfph  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 8273
 
Marcos you made the SML thread on Shtock hooze. Not sure you want your quotes to be tossed around in such a matter.Kinda reminds me of the God / master skit in Toystory.

Anybody got a site I can go to pick up multiple year charts on the Dow etc ? My bookmarks seem to be misplaced today.What I am looking for is a double bottom and I want to see how accurate the 17 % swing theory really is.

BAY-Looks like its in for the classic selloff after the story got out routine.In this case its the buyout but you get my drift. It could fall a long way before it bottoms out. Check out WTC 5 year chart to see what I am driving at.

CPT- I may not make the AGM. It will be a last minute type decision . If this one is going to be the next Brascan I want to know when the run is going to start.

SUL- I am not a fan of the management, but I am not mad at them either. It seems to be a decent story and the ground has delivered in the past.

SML- interesting what abit of chatter can do to a stock. Will it print 18 before it moves up ?

SUF- Up on small volume, this one usualy falls on small volume. There may be some news out soon. It looks like additional property is about to become available to credible companies. SUF may qualify.
Expect to see"The Great Satan "get some of the property as well.Graft and kickbacks can buy you alot of credibility.Invite the right government official to a few parties and grease his palm with some support money, perhaps even hire one or two of these officials after they have been removed from office and all sorts of government doors and deals will become available.

T- if it drops under 10 I am in for a small amount. Its the kind of thing to pick up if the market did one of those one day crash correction things me thinks.

CM/TD- All those bad loans are comming home to roost.My call would be to dip in if CM dropped back another 20-25 %. That old support level of 29 bucks seems abit far feched to me.

MLR.U- CC was on the buy on friday. I still hold some from a swing trade gone bad. I may get out yet. Not very happy with the action on this one I expected more and got very little.

GGL- Will they ever find the source for those great indicater minerals ? Maybe its on some one elses property.

ACA- if we wait long enough it may drop down to a "Buy " level. Not abad company to invest... in if the price is right. They seem determined to find a mine.

AAS-Sure took old Chester long enough to find some turf that would make a decent mine. What he needs is a crew and a drill rig to wander around and stick a few deep holes on some blind undrilled targets elsewhere on the property. I suspect this could happen when the paper is all in place.

TM- darn. They are not about to drill the targets next to MAN .Not much sense to do so until MAN figures out how they are going to access their minerals.

SWM- zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

XCL- Imagine the reaction if a drilling program ever starts. Now imagine waiting 5 more years.

regards
ralfph

OT- Another football sized asteroid sailed by earth last week. That makes several this year. Perhaps something is getting tired of our actions (Mans inhumanity to man) and tossing them at us. If so that something is getting more accurate. This last asteroid went past within the moons orbit.



To: marcos who wrote (2463)6/24/2002 9:28:48 PM
From: russet  Respond to of 8273
 
My post using trees was more to outline the mechanism of forward selling. Not intending to go into problems that could affect delivery which all companies face to generate income, hedged or unhedged.

Perhaps the simplest way to think about Barrick's gold leasing contracts is to look at a typical years production of 6 million gold oz. 1.5 to 2 million gold (depends on the year) is sold short in previous years and 6 million oz gold is coming long from production in that year. The 1.5 to 2 million sold short oz, are equally cancelled out by an equal amount of long production no matter which direction the price goes (they effectively locked in a price for a portion of the production,... its like having 1000 shares of some stock short and long at the same time),...and the 4.5 to 4 million production left is free to get the spot. Additionally the 1.5 - 2 million short and long were opened at an average of $360 for 2002, and for the next 14 years at $340. The short contracts are uncallable and will go to term.

I believe the problem most people have, is the simplicity of the contracts. No one believes they are so simple. Barrick gets simple contracts without encumberments for up to 15 year leases with low gold lease rates for several reasons,... no net debt, an AA rated balance sheet, high annual production, and big reserve and resource base, an incredible record of operations, and they own a Bullion Bank!!! The actual details of the contracts are proprietary and likely subject to muzzel agreements on both sides,...the bank would not want its competitors to know the terms they gave Barrick, and Barrick would not want its competitors to know what they got from the banks. But the basics are there,...term, uncallability, etc.

Some of the posts I made to Nickel were stupid,...he dragged me down to his level and I acted as stupid as he did in a few. I agree with you that ideas and conversation are the value here, and when the insults start it is time to go to somewhere else.

Seems like Barrick made Sprott see the error of his ways (ggggggggg),...

Sprott retracts comments about Barrick
Hedging program
Paul Haavardsrud
National Post

Saturday, June 22, 2002

National Post
Randall Oliphant, president and CEO of Barrick, has long defended the gold producer's hedge book.

ADVERTISEMENT

CALGARY - High-profile fund manager Eric Sprott backtracked yesterday on allegations Barrick Gold Corp.'s hedging program would leave the company vulnerable to massive losses if the price of gold moved dramatically higher.

The founder of Sprott Securities issued a formal written retraction of an earlier research comment that had highlighted his concerns over the risk of gold hedges in a rising market for gold prices.

After consulting with Barrick and further analysis of the firm's public filings, Mr. Sprott retracted his warning to clients that Barrick could be subject to potentially ruinous margin calls if gold continues to rise sharply.

"When a series of misleading and utterly irresponsible statements are made they need to be corrected for the proper functioning of the capital markets," said Barrick spokesman Vince Borg. "They have done that and we accept that."

Mr. Sprott issued the retraction, saying he recognized his primary assumption about Barrick's gold hedging program was incorrect.

Earlier, his call had assumed the liability for the hedging program rested with Barrick, when in fact the primary hedging transaction is done, not by Barrick, but at a bullion bank.

"Is Barrick Gold Corp. subject to margin calls in a rising gold market?" Mr. Sprott asked rhetorically in a note disseminated yesterday. "As the company asserts in various filings, the answer to that question is simply no."

Mr. Sprott, who recently told the Financial Post his concerns were strong enough to convince him to sell Barrick shares short in his hedge fund, could not be reached yesterday for further comment.

Mr. Sprott also said the suggestion Barrick had already been subjected to a margin call by its counterparty lenders was incorrect. An earlier investment decision made by Barrick had been misunderstood by Mr. Sprott and other market watchers, he noted.

While investors would benefit if Barrick consolidated the disclosure of its hedge book into a single document, on the whole the firm's disclosure, which he had been critical of in the original note on March 31, is also commendable, he wrote. "I'm pleased that [Sprott Securities] has come out and done this, because it sets the record straight, corrects the misstatements that were made and addresses the primary issues of false information that they had previously put out," said Jamie Sokalsky, chief financial officer at Barrick.

As the largest hedged gold producer in the world, Barrick, the world's second-largest gold producer, has been a lightening rod for criticism from those who believe producer hedging programs have kept the price of gold artificially low.

Despite numerous explanations over the years from chief executive Randall Oliphant, and other members of Barrick's management team, about how the firm still reaps tremendous benefits from rising prices, goldbugs have remained adamant Barrick's hedge book will one day bring about its demise.

Although Mr. Sprott still fundamentally disagrees with producer hedging, he said it was unfair to single out Barrick in his earlier note.

"Furthermore, it was also unfair to imply that it is Barrick that is at risk in a rising gold price/lease rate environment," he wrote. "In fact, of all gold hedgers, Barrick would appear to be one of the gold companies that is least at risk."