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To: Neocon who wrote (15364)	6/24/2002 1:20:19 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

You are being unusually dogmatic today. Sorry, don't mean to. Perhaps, in part, a reaction to your absolutism over the potential for a different approach. Also, perhaps, because I have some enthusiasm for this subject. I really think our system of justice is terribly lacking and that the problem is not being discussed in any useful way. And perhaps because I was subconsciously trying to jolt you a bit to get out out of your box and get a creative discussion going. If your end is a just society, then my end is minimizing damage due to crime. You want to make sure that people get punished for their crimes, it seems, and I want to reduce the incidence of crime and to make the victims as whole as possible.

To: Neocon who wrote (15364)	6/24/2002 1:40:23 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

OK, I'm not going to come up with a replacement for our system of justice in an afternoon, but I've been noodling about and have a starter outline. This is a work in progress. Outline of Objectives regarding the crime in question -the criminal ....accountability/conviction ....make amends ....rehabilitation ....protect society from future actions by this perp -the victim ....made whole, receive reparations ....validate loss regarding society at large --deterrent for similarly situated prospective perps --make statement of societal values relevant instrumental values --punishment fits the crime --not profiting from the crime --mercy and justice You'll note that your overall goal is one of my instrumental values.