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To: kodiak_bull who wrote (14682)	6/27/2002 3:05:51 PM
From: Wowzer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

She is busted for sure, if that is the way it happened . Because she did admit to talking to Waksal that day and I bet the Merrill brokers will say there wasn't a stop after all. What was actually discussed on that phone call is irrelevant now, since she has already been caught lying. Who would believe her?. Plus Waksal got all his family members to sell one day before the news came out....c-mon... She just needs to admit it, ask for foregiveness, get slapped on the wrist and move on. What would really hurt her is she ends up going to trial and gets convicted.

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (14682)	6/27/2002 3:17:41 PM
From: CommanderCricket	Respond to of 23153

KB, I agree 100% with your take on this. The media is making an issue of this because there are many who can relate to Martha. Who can relate to Bernie? Or Lay? Makes sensational news. What I would like to see the media discuss is the following; Worldcom is now shutout of the capital markets and their bonds are trading under 0.20 cents. LOC's will get pulled from the other telco's. What bank is going to lend money in this industry? Their running for doors. Where's the capital to purchase equipment? I mentioned to my team yesterday to expect numerous order cancellations and pushouts for the next two - four quarters. The entire supply chain is about to wacked HARD. Game over. BTW: Received notice yesterday JNPR is cancelling orders with their EMS Providers. It's going to get very ugly but not many discussing. Martha is media noise, nothing more. Michael

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (14682)	6/27/2002 4:22:00 PM
From: pvz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

>> Will housewives across the country stop watching or subscribing to Martha?<< I think not. I think many of the people who take her media products seriously are not at all interested in the market. However, I think your suggestion of the way it might have gone is perhaps a little simplistic. Given that she was a broker once upon a long time ago, I'm sure she knew all about stop loss orders.

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (14682)	6/27/2002 5:14:06 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 23153

MARTHA AS THE RED HERRING DU JOUR KB, Re: I somehow don't think the way the media is painting it is how it happened. I am certain that you are correct. Furthermore, the Martha story is simply a red herring, intended to take the media spotlight off other stories. Could it be that Ken Lay's defenders are gleefully playing the disinformation game here? A hint: jimhightower.com DEFENDING THE RICH AT ALL COSTS 6/26/02 Today's Goober is a repeat winner––Tom DeLay, the corporate-hugging, right-wing nutball who is the third-ranking Republican leader in the U.S. house. Tom tends to view the world in terms of his own holy righteousness versus the satanic evil of anyone who disagrees with him on anything, which often leads him into fanciful flights of Gooberishness. His latest came during debate on a Republican proposal to eliminate the estate tax––a move that would be a multibillion-dollar windfall for the Rockefellars at the expense of us little fellers. Under current law, only the wealthiest two percent of American families pay any estate tax at all. Yet DeLay brands it as the diabolical "death tax," and he recently rose on his hind legs to declare: "The vast majority of Americans believe that the death tax is the most evil tax on the books." Earth to Tom: Most Americans think that the worst taxes are the one that they actually pay––like payroll and sales taxes––not taxes on huge estates. Far from helping regular folks, Tom's proposal would enrich George W. Bush's estate by some $10 million, Dick Cheney's by $40 million, and the sleazy head of Enron's by $59 million. Overall, eliminating this tax on the wealthiest families would take more than $800 billion out of our public treasury at a time our country needs it for education, social security, health care and the other real needs of "the vast majority of Americans." This is Jim Hightower saying...DeLay and gang showed their true loyalties when an amendment was offered to exempt 99.7 percent of all families––including family farmers and small businesses––from paying any estate taxes, thus limiting the tax to only a few thousand of the very wealthiest and most privileged. No, said DeLay, who led the charge to kill this amendment. And that's the kind of Goober he is. Audio: stream.realimpact.net jimhightower.com

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (14682)	6/28/2002 12:20:06 AM
From: Libbyt	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Will housewives across the country stop watching or subscribing to Martha? No...I don't think this will have any effect on the ratings, or sales of MSO. If anything, the entire situation might help to increase her ratings with the T.V. viewers. I expect to see the opening skit of Saturday Night Live with "Martha", chopping lettuce with a huge knife. I don't think I would have asked Martha any aggressive questions while she was upset, and wielding a knife, LOL! The women's movement (which might be said to dominate the women's press) positively hates her, mostly because they see her as a bad role model. I agree with you... and with your above perception of how some view Martha. IMO part of the problem all women have with Martha is that her ideas and suggestions in her "Living" magazine are for the most part creative, entertaining, fun, and innovative....but most women don't have a staff of gardeners, housekeepers, home cleaners, and party planners to do the work necessary to complete all of these projects.