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To: Boplicity who wrote (8030)7/1/2002 10:42:12 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 13815
 
What Will Move The Market?

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What Will Move The Market?
By Scott Shaw

Frustration abounds these days. The economy is improving, forward looking fundamentals are as good as they have ever been, yet the stock market, slowly, like Chinese water torture, continues its slide. Rallies create false hope, only to see the next down turn even lower. Lower highs and lower lows seems the order of the day. But in the end, stock prices follow profits and economic conditions, and the economy is as described below”

"We're pounding the tables emphatically with the message, 'THE UPTURN IN THE ECONOMY HAS OCCURRED,'" says Lakshman Achuthan, managing director of the Economic Cycle Research Institute. IT is a significant piece of the economy, and it can't escape these economic cycles.”

It is enough to make me want to get up and just literally scream! “The economy is improving, valuations in many of the world’s leading companies, in industries with enormous growth potential over the coming decade are selling cheaply, and yet you continue to sell on good news and bad!”

One explanation for this is what psychologists and marketers call the “Recency Effect.” That a person’s most vivid memory is that of the most recent dramatic events, and a person’s recall of these more recent events overstates their relative importance or size. The recent cyclical downturn in technology is a recent phenomenon and stuck in most peoples’ brains as if these doldrums will last forever. I mentioned this in a prior column, but if you remember back, the 1980s started out with the deepest recession since the Great Depression; the 1990s started out with a recession deep enough to knock off a war hero president; yet both the 1980s and 1990s turned into the two most successful economic decades in American history. The 2000s are starting off in a similar pattern. No one can say whether or not the 2000s will achieve similar economic success, but the groundwork is there for the 2000s to at least repeat the same success of the 80s and 90s, if not exceed it. What is overlooked is the historical precedent that economic downturns, when inflation is low, interest rates are low, monetary policy is easy, productivity is at record levels, consumer spending is strong, free trade is the rule in most of the world, demographics are at their peak as baby boomers move into their peak earnings and spending years, and new mass market product categories (electricity, car, computer, telephone) are in their early phases of deployment, is that economic downturns turn into strong economic recoveries. That, in fact, periods of recovery are usually far longer than periods of economic downturn. But don’t let this sort of long-term thinking get in the way of the Recency Effect.

Forbes magazine in the June 10, 2002, issue provided evidence in this regard when the author James Grant discussed the subject of hedge funds and how hedge funds were making their way into the grocery store. Mr. Grant explains: “When things like hedge funds actually acquire a mass market following, some kind of disaster is just around the corner.” Or, and this seems eerily reminiscent of say 2000, except substitute “long” and “going up”: “It is an open secret among seasoned bears that only a small fraction of short sales these days are the result of rigorous and original securities analysis. Nowadays more and more shares are sold for no better reason than that "the market is going down."

The economic upturn I’ve written about in several columns is occurring and the evidence is strong that it will continue to occur. It won’t be a return to 1999, but given the low valuation levels of many stocks and extreme pessimism that exists in the marketplace today, when the turnaround gets into full swing, say by the 3rd and 4th quarters of this year and first quarter of next year, there exists the real possibility of some very nice stock appreciation as irrational pessimism, which as exampled by the hedge fund example, is reaching absurd proportions, is turned around by the mother of all short coverings as earnings continue to improve, and visibility returns.

Unlike in normal economic recoveries, however, it seems likely that the stock market, instead of being a leading indicator, will in this recovery be a lagging indicator. This is because: (1) the above Recency Effect will take some time to turn around, and (2) the perceived increased risk in the world. The United States is at war with terrorism (the war is currently in a state not too much different from the lull that occurred shortly after the outbreak of World War II in Britain), the Middle East is a powder keg with oil supplies at potential risk, and India and Pakistan are yet again lining up for a major border dispute. These risks are not going to dissipate any time soon. So what is the average institutional investor to do? (1) Sell everything short because everything is going down anyways, (2) Buy gold until its price level is pushed to absurd levels, and (3) Jump out of short positions and gold with a vengeance when Cisco reports and increases its forward guidance.

In conclusion, economic fundamentals and valuations are in place to support a return of a bullish market over the next few years. Unlike in normal periods of time, the stock market may in this period of time turn out to actually be a lagging indicator, as the herd mentality reaches epic proportions, as hedge funds become sold like mutual funds at grocery stores, stocks are sold short just because everything is going down, and money rushes into gold pushing gold up to untenable levels. It is like a cork in a bottle, a cork that will explode with a mass exodus out of these positions when Cisco raises their forward-looking guidance. Absent another major terrorist attack, oil price shock (which looks much less likely now, particularly with Russia coming on-line as a major producer), or a realistic threat of use of nuclear weapons in Kashmir, the cork popping sometime in the next 9 months seems almost inevitable, at least at some point in time. (The Pakistan/Indian war is really a border dispute and not a fight for national survival, much like their previous disputes, as was the USSR/Chinese border conflict of 1969. Border disputes are not likely to rise to the level of a nuclear dispute, unlike say total war for national survival might.)

Still, given these uncertainties, until then I can understand why so many people want to keep their money anywhere but the market. It is a cliché, but that is also precisely the time when the largest profits are made, at the points of maximum irrational pessimism (long), or maximum irrational optimism (short). I think the only sensible way is to strike a balance as to where you put your money (in and out of the market) is with this very real risk in mind, but balanced against what is demonstrably becoming a mania on the short side – a mania that will break with a vengeance as evidence of economic recovery and future expansion is everywhere. All it will take is a company like Cisco raising forward guidance and saying the words “visibility is good.” The momentum out of the short side mania will be unstoppable.



To: Boplicity who wrote (8030)7/1/2002 10:46:38 PM
From: Sig  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 13815
 
Gregster:
Shes all over now. Might as well load up the camels with a few belongings left and leave this oasis, the well has gone dry.
Go look for some gold, buy a new set of shorts, buy a few acres on the country
They will sell so fast into next rally we may not even SEE the rally.
The Fed had safeguards in place, large companies has a vague Plan "B" , many had none.
The magnitude of the disaster to date overwhelmed them all.
There is nothing left between us and Dow 5000
Sig
Everyone will be screaming for Government bucks( the airlines already got theirs,Amtrac is hurting.)
Will Wcom ask for $100 billion because how could you leave (sob) 7mm(?) subscribers with no access. ?



To: Boplicity who wrote (8030)7/2/2002 2:25:55 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13815
 
Is the bubble gone..??

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'The bubble is gone' -- Nasdaq hits 5-year low
By Carol Emert
San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 2, 2002

Jittery investors sent the Nasdaq composite index spiraling downward yesterday to a level not seen since before dot-com mania.

The tech-heavy Nasdaq plunged 4 percent to 1,404.80, its lowest level since June 10, 1997. That was a time when Amazon.com had just gone public, Monica Lewinsky was an unknown Washington intern, and Enron was still a five- letter word.

By the end of trading yesterday, the Nasdaq had lost 72 percent of its value since peaking at 5,048.62 on March 10, 2000. It stood 20 points below the nadir hit immediately after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and was down 28 percent for the year.

"The bubble is gone," said Steve Massocca, president of Pacific Growth Equities, a San Francisco investment bank. "The bubble has burst. What happens now, I don't know, but all that money from the bubble is gone."

Investors, worried about the rising tide of corporate and accounting scandals, sent other stock indexes lower yesterday. The Standard & Poors 500 index fell 2.1 percent to 968.65, and the Dow Jones industrial average, composed of 30 blue-chip stocks, slipped 1.4 percent to 9,109.93.

WorldCom became the first stock to trade more than 1 billion shares in a single day as it plummeted yesterday to 6 cents from 83 cents. Although 1.5 billion WorldCom shares changed hands, they didn't account for much of the day's downdraft, since each share is worth so little, Massocca said.

The market's sell-off was driven more by market mechanics and a chronic lack of confidence than by any one piece of bad news, experts said.

Stocks typically rise at the end of June as portfolio managers bid up the value of their holdings at the end the first half. Stocks then declined a corresponding amount in early July.

In that sense, yesterday's fall was not unexpected. Still, the stock market is clearly in crisis.

The number of accounting scandals -- WorldCom, Xerox, Arthur Andersen, Enron, Tyco -- is rising rather than abating.

Meanwhile, foreign investment is leaving the country, a trend that both deflates the stock market and raises fears that the Federal Reserve will boost interest rates to retain capital.

Political instability overseas is worrisome to investors, and fears of a potential terrorist attack on Independence Day are hitting even closer to home.

On top of that, corporate profits continue to fall short of expectations, a serious problem since stock prices are supposed to reflect future earnings.

"People are reassessing their portfolios for the second half of the year, and they're getting rid of stocks -- tech stocks in particular," said Jeremy Siegel, a finance professor at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. "They're weeding those out."

Corporate profits matter more to investors than disasters like the Sept. 11 attacks, he said. In a sense, Enron is more frightening to stockholders than al Qaeda.

"I'm not surprised" the market is lower now than last fall, Siegel said. "Tech companies don't pay dividends. Everything is the trust of earnings, and we all know trust of earnings is in a very tenuous state."

Because business spending is so anemic, tech company profits aren't expected to begin recovering until next year, according to Siegel. But David Blitzer, chief investment strategist with Standard & Poors in New York, cautioned that the tech rout was temporary and said there were a few bright spots.

Last month, Microsoft's market capitalization -- the value of its publicly traded stock -- passed that of General Electric for the first time in several months.

That was still true yesterday, as Microsoft accounted for 3.206 percent of the S&P 500, while GE made up 3.173 percent.

Also last month, Redwood City's Oracle Corp. enjoyed the biggest price increase of any S&P stock, Blitzer said. "I guess nobody told those guys about the demise of tech stocks," he said.

sfgate.com



To: Boplicity who wrote (8030)7/3/2002 8:24:54 PM
From: pbull  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13815
 
Good call on ORCL. Is QCOM putting in a double bottom? I agree with your focus on large caps because funds need stocks with enough liquidity for them to trade. I think ultimately we could see lower lows again, but for now, it looks like this is where the sector rotation in the market is going to go. Just one person's guess, as always.

PB



To: Boplicity who wrote (8030)7/3/2002 9:50:56 PM
From: D.B. Cooper  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13815
 
"Hallowed be the day, forever bright its memory in the heart of the Nation.
Sing to it, poets;
shout to it, freemen;
celebrate it with bonfires, parades, and triumphant assemblies"
(Daily Alta California, 4 July 1855).

Have a safe 4th everyone.

Don and Penni

we have secretly been buying the last three days and haven't told anyone.
Not too many techs this time.
fingers and toes crossed



To: Boplicity who wrote (8030)7/5/2002 9:30:11 AM
From: D.B. Cooper  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 13815
 
Friday July 05 08:20 AM EDT
Cycling: It might be three Americans in Paris Lance Armstrong
By Bonnie DeSimone, Chicago Tribune
LUXEMBOURG — Whether it was a Fourth of July gesture or a sincere statement, veteran French cyclist Richard Virenque's Tour de France prediction was a stunner.

Virenque said Americans could sweep the top three places in cycling's premier event, naming triple defending champion Lance Armstrong and Armstrong's former U.S. Postal teammates, Tyler Hamilton and Levi Leipheimer, as favorites to occupy the podium in Paris.

"That would be spectacular," Armstrong said, calling Virenque's comments a compliment.

But Armstrong was quick to issue a caution about the trio's prospects for the 89th edition of the race, which begins tomorrow in this tiny, cycling-mad country.



To: Boplicity who wrote (8030)7/7/2002 2:42:21 AM
From: pbull  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 13815
 
Bo, AMCC used to be a defense subcontractor. Does this stock go to zero, or do they become a defense subcontractor again?

PB



To: Boplicity who wrote (8030)7/7/2002 11:53:05 PM
From: D.B. Cooper  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13815
 
at some time Silicon Investor might(might)shut down.
I think that info space is going to be delisted
Saturday July 6, 2:35 pm Eastern Time
Associated Press
InfoSpace Faces Possible Delisting

InfoSpace Receives Notice That Nasdaq Stock Market May Delist Its Shares
BELLEVUE, Wash. (AP) -- InfoSpace Inc. (NasdaqNM:INSP - News) has received notice that the Nasdaq Stock Market may delist its shares if its stock price doesn't improve.
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The company's stock price must trade at or above $1 for at least 10 days straight in the next 90 days or InfoSpace faces delisting, the company disclosed Friday. The stock closed at 51 cents a share Friday.

InfoSpace stock, which trades under the ticker symbol INSP, has not closed above $1 a share since May 20. InfoSpace provides software and applications to wireless and Internet companies.

InfoSpace went public in December 1998 at a split-adjusted $2.50 a share.

The Nasdaq had suspended some requirements, including maintaining a minimum share price, in September following the terrorist attacks. The stock market reinstated its trading requirements in January.

InfoSpace received the warning notice late Wednesday

If all of us want to keep in touch. I notice a few people have switched over to
investorshub.com

I seem to be grandfathered in for some reason. If anything should happen to si I will be their under the alias of DonH until I can change my alias back to D.B. Cooper.

Some of us have a lot of time together and would hate to lose contact.
Good Luck