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Politics : The Palestinian Hoax -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Noel de Leon who wrote (509)	7/2/2002 10:56:58 PM
From: The Ox	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3467

If it means that Israel occupies land unlawfully... Israel has been attacked on a very grand scale by Arab armies several times since it's inception. Each time they justifiably defended their country. In the process of this defense, specifically in the major battles that were waged during the 50s, 60s and 70s, they drove the opposing armies farther away from the original borders of Israel. Is Israel occupying foreign soil? Yes, absolutely. Did Israel unlawfully occupy this land or did Israel end up on this land while they were in the process of driving away aggressor armies? This is an important distinction, even if some people don't believe this is the case! Should the occupation end? In my opinion of course it should!! I can understand why they have disregarded UN resolution 242 when I look at it from Israel's position. I can understand why they are very reluctant to abide by this referendum when viewed in the light of the numerous attacks released on their nation by their neighbors. Can you understand why many in Israel view each subsequent terrorist bombing as a continuation of this conflict? A conflict that, in essence, has been going on for 55 years? The Olso accords are a very different matter. Since Israel was part of the bargaining process, there comes additional responsibility to adhere to their side of the agreement. I would say even in the light of the constant terror attacks and bombings Israel should implement their side of the Oslo agreements! That's just the way I see it. If Israel were to implement their side of the agreement even while under constant attack, they stand a better chance of seeing this horrible period end. I believe such actions would exponentially add to the possibility of a lasting peace. The steps which need to be taken are very difficult and getting more difficult every day. Yet, by not taking these steps, I believe Israel is doing itself an injustice.

To: Noel de Leon who wrote (509)	7/3/2002 12:51:35 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3467

A muslim hero. ...." Where then did they come from? During the last eight years--the years of the Oslo ``peace process''--Yasser Arafat had complete control of all the organs of Palestinian education and propaganda. It takes an unspeakable hatred for people to send their children to commit Columbine-like murder-suicide. Arafat taught it. His television, his newspapers, his clerics have inculcated an anti-Semitism unmatched in virulence since Nazi Germany.".... How Arafat raised an entire generation to murder WASHINGTON--Sept. 11 awakened Americans to the anti-American vitriol in the state-controlled media of such apparently friendly states as Egypt and Saudi Arabia. We are just beginning to understand how a daily diet of hatred fed through schools and the media--a hatred quietly incubating for years--found its most perfect expression in the slaughter of Sept. 11. We have failed, however, to see how a similar campaign of hate has laid the groundwork for the orgy of murder-suicide the Palestinians are now engaged in. A mother appears on videotape proudly sending her 18-year-old to his death just so he can kill as many Jews as possible. This is unprecedented. Before the Oslo peace accords of 1993, suicide bombing was a practice almost unheard of among Palestinians. And it is not as if they had no grievances before 1993. On the contrary. The advent of suicide bombing coincides precisely with the era of Israeli conciliation and peacemaking: recognition of the PLO, repeated concessions of territory, establishment of the Palestinian Authority, acceptance of an armed Palestinian police--all culminating in the unprecedented offer of an independent Palestinian state with its capital in a shared Jerusalem. It is precisely in the context of the most accommodating, most conciliatory, most dovish Israeli policy in history that the suicide bombings took hold. Where then did they come from? During the last eight years--the years of the Oslo ``peace process''--Yasser Arafat had complete control of all the organs of Palestinian education and propaganda. It takes an unspeakable hatred for people to send their children to commit Columbine-like murder-suicide. Arafat taught it. His television, his newspapers, his clerics have inculcated an anti-Semitism unmatched in virulence since Nazi Germany. When U.S. peace negotiator Dennis Ross stepped down last year, he acknowledged, to his credit, that a major error of diplomacy in the Clinton years was turning a diplomatic blind eye to the poisonous incitement in Palestinian media. Just as Osama bin Laden spent the '90s indoctrinating and infiltrating in preparation for murder, Arafat raised an entire generation schooled in hatred of the ``Judeo-Nazis.'' This indoctrination goes far beyond expunging Israel, literally, from Palestinian maps. It goes far beyond denying, indeed ridiculing, the Holocaust as a Jewish fantasy. It consists of the rawest incitement to murder, as in this sermon by Arafat-appointed and Arafat-funded Ahmad Abu Halabiya broadcast live on official Palestinian Authority television early in the Intifada. The subject is "the Jews." (Note: not the Israelis, but the Jews.) "They must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: `Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands.' ... Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them." The rationale offered for such murderousness is Jewish villainy as taught not just in Palestine, but throughout the Arab world. On March 10, for example, an article in the official Saudi newspaper al-Riyadh described in rich detail how the Jews ritually slaughter Christian and Muslim children to use their blood in their holiday foods. With almost comic pseudo-scholarship, it explained that for one holiday (Purim) the Jew must kill an adolescent, but for Passover the victim must be 10 years or younger. When the article achieved wide notoriety in translation, the editor apologized under pressure. He said he had been out of town when the article appeared. An odd excuse, given the fact that this elaborate blood libel ran as a two-part series. A precondition for peace is to prepare your people for peace. Egypt's Anwar Sadat did that after signing his peace treaty with Israel. The Israelis did that after signing Oslo. They changed their textbooks and altered their civic culture to recognize and accept the Palestinians. On the 50th anniversary of Israel's independence, for example, Israel Television aired an epic multipart historical documentary that offered a view of the Palestinians that was deeply sympathetic and understanding. While Israeli leaders, both political and intellectual, were preparing their people for peace, Arafat was preparing his people for war--the war he unleashed two months after rejecting Israel's Camp David peace offer of July 2000--with an unrelenting campaign of anti-Semitic vilification carried out by every organ of his media. And how he has succeeded. When Arafat's state-controlled media glorify a "martyrdom operation," it is not just a commendation of the murderer, it is a vindication of their own pedagogy. We now see its fruits in the streets of Jerusalem, where the blood from the latest suicide bombing graces the third floor of surrounding buildings. (c) 2002, The Washington Post Writers Group townhall.com

To: Noel de Leon who wrote (509)	7/3/2002 7:54:05 AM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3467

In 1967, 600,000 Arabs and Iraqi's attempted to attack Israel from areas now known as Gaza and the West Bank (for the second time in 20 years.) "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight," Gamal Abdel-Nasser, Former Egyptian President "Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the map." Abdur Rahman Aref , Former Iraqi President "we aim at the destruction of the State of Israel. The immediate aim: perfection of Arab military might. The national aim: the eradication of Israel" Gamal Abdel-Nasser, Former Egyptian President us-israel.org After defeating the Arab force using an army less than 1/4 the size, Israel occupied those lands to protect themselves from further aggression. At the time, the UN acknowledged their right to establish "defensible borders". In the year 2000, Israel offered to give back all of Gaza, 92% of the West Bank and half of Jerusalem. Arafat turned them down and chose instead to send hundreds of suicide bombers across the green line. Three weeks ago President Clinton was quoted as saying that Arafat "never had any interest in peace", and last week Arafat admitted that the 2000 offer was a good basis to work with for a settlement. Perhaps you should examine history and think for yourself, instead of regurgitating Palestinian propaganda?