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To: AllansAlias who wrote (44574)	7/5/2002 11:27:27 AM
From: Doo	Respond to of 209892

As painful as it has been for me to do, over the years (with cats and living on a farm with woods all around), I've drowned countless baby birds. Sorry. I think that's the only fair solution, frankly.

To: AllansAlias who wrote (44574)	7/5/2002 11:27:37 AM
From: Shack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 209892

Would you believe.... wildbirdrehab.org

To: AllansAlias who wrote (44574)	7/5/2002 11:55:06 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 209892

Allan, I've got a cat that does the same thing from time to time. I wish I could tell you how to successfully save the little feller........ I've found that often the shock of the attack by the cat is enough to be fatal to the bird even if the cat did no real physical damage....... I've also found that the shock of over handling by a well meaning human can push it over the edge too....... if you can find the little feller's nest & return it there without too much commotion, it has a chance. For slightly older birds, it's best to get the cat inside & leave the bird alone (perhaps get it out of direct sunlight, etc)....... it will slowly recover from the shock (or not) on its' own & leave. I could be wrong, but it seems that too much intervention by even well meaning humans can do more harm than good. Good luck, Ö¿Ö

To: AllansAlias who wrote (44574)	7/5/2002 12:10:04 PM
From: Lee Lichterman III	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 209892

I have done this a lot in the past. You have to figure out what kind it is though this won't be important until a bit later. You also need to figure out if you really want to do this as it is a lot of work and in my opinion, some aren't worth saving. ( Starlings, chickadees etc) Just take a regular bowl and put napkins in it to form a kind of "nest". You will be changing these a lot unless you are quick at catching dropping after feeding. If you have a desk lamp, you can hang that over the top of whatever you are going to keep it in for a heat source. You want it kind of warm in there and you don't want any drafts. We used an old aquarium for all of ours but leave the top off as you want air to circulate out of the top. The fumes get nasty from these little critters. -ggg- There are all kinds of fancy recipes but mainly we fed ours canned dog food mixed with oatmeal so it forms a paste. We would add a couple drops of vitamins to it as we mixed it. ( The liquid kind for pets ) Put a small ball of the concoction on the tip of your pinky finger and then tap the side of the bowl to simulate the mother bird landing on the nest. The little guy will come springing up like a Jack in the box with his mouth wide open and you have to shove your finger in it's mouth with that ball of food on the end and he will do the rest. They eat rapid fire so you can shove about 4-5 balls in a row into him then he will likely take a dump which after some practice, you will get good at catching in some TP or a napkin. It isn't as bad as it sounds as it stays in a pouch type thing so the real mom can carry it off. You are now done for about a half hour to an hour. After that amount of time, repeat. They eat constantly from sunrise to evening and we would feed ours into the night to allow us to sleep in a little later. -ggg- Once he starts getting all his feathers and starts leaving the nest to explore his cage, he will peck at things. This is when you need to know what kind of bird it is. Robins, Starlings etc need to learn to hunt bugs so you make it easy at first with worms, meal worms, crickets etc out in the open in the cage and eventually start hiding them under stuff so he has to find them. Cut the worms in half if they are big for a while. WAtching them learn this stuff is the fun part as they lose about half the battles. -ggggg- If it is just a chickadee, cardinal or some seed eater, they are easier and you just throw in seed for a while and then start taking him out on nice days to find seeds in plants, on the ground and stuff like that. Instinct takes over quickly for these guys and it isnt like a human where you have to explain anything -ggg- The hard part will be getting rid of him. They tend to follow you no matter what you do and want to hang around your house. Our tactic was to find a park far from home. Have the motor running and turn him loose. Once he got to exploring, we made a mad dash for the car and drove as fast as possible. I swear a few of ours found their way home as we had some birds that just seemed to hang around for ever but we just ignored them and made them make their own way. I haven't done it in a couple years but I must have raised over 100 birds over my life and you can usually call a good zoo and they will give you specific recipees for various species that may vary a bit. Basically young birds all eat bugs so the dog food mix thing works great until they get older. Good Luck, Lee