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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: maried. who wrote (52351)	7/5/2002 2:53:55 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

It's interesting how one's perspective changes over time. In the 60s when I was in the anti-war movement, I would probably, I regret now to say, have laughed at the foolishness of those soldiers. Now that I have seen enough of the price that must be paid for freedom, and have my own son in the military willing to sacrifice his life if necessary for the sake of his family and his country, I have nothing but awe for such courage and love of freedom. We do our children no favor by letting them become educated without understanding the enormous price that has been paid over the past thousands of years for the freedoms we take for granted, and the need for that price to continue to be paid daily by those willing to lay their lives on the line for the freedoms we tend to take so lightly.

To: maried. who wrote (52351)	7/5/2002 3:17:39 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I'm assuming that no one here believes that the movingness of that story about patriotism and individual courage has anything whatever to do with the successful campaign by the Knights of Columbus in the 1950's to insert the words "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance to the United States of America. I spoke yesterday to a patriotic American fellow who was 19 when the Pledge was changed, and he says he was so bitter at having the change rammed down his throat that he hasn't been able to recite it without feeling resentful and "outside" since. He's a patriot, but he's also an agnostic, he said. There are a lot of those around -- non-Christian Americans who want the Pledge to be inclusive of them and their children. BTW, atheists and agnostics aren't immune from the belief that "giving up your life for your country is an honor." The pledge shouldn't unnecessarily disrespect our atheist war dead, imo. It is simply about loving, and being loyal to, our "indivisible" nation and what it stands for. Or was.