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To: limtex who wrote (91892)7/6/2002 9:10:22 AM
From: Secret_Agent_Man  Respond to of 99280
 
limtex, if the economic macro's are to be beleived then there is a recovery in progress right now. That my friend is the Only real problem...I don't for one minute believe...revision after revision...the hedonic's
continue and will not abate...the truth will set us free but, we ain't gettin the truth.........not in a timely fashion and in fact I think the revision's are also lies bwdik...nothing...Lies, damn lies and govt statistics are one in the same.

c4t



To: limtex who wrote (91892)7/6/2002 11:05:01 AM
From: Lone Ranger  Respond to of 99280
 
limex,
imho, you're right in this sense, the economy is recovering.
But the question becomes how strong is the recovery and how will that translate to corporate profits and growth? Personally, I do not think the estimates will support the historic high valuations that still remain in the market averages. So either corporate profits and growth surprise to the upside or prices come down to lower valuations to a historically reasonable level.



To: limtex who wrote (91892)7/6/2002 11:52:44 AM
From: Zeev Hed  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 99280
 
limtex, you are going to get yourself into financial ruins if you continue and stick with the concept that a growing economy means a rising stock market. Go back to my April 2000 post (#reply-13483082) where I suggested a parallel between the current period and the 1966/82 period, and thus a lengthy period of a trading range, a broad trading range. The economy grew twice as fast from 1966 to 1982 as it did from 1982 to 1999. Yet, stocks went nowhere in the 66/82 period and grew by a factor of 10 in the 82/99 period. Have you asked yourself why for 16 years there was a disconnect between a growing economy and stock prices, and then another disconnect in the 82/99 period? It is "the valuation, stupid". We started the 82 period with stocks extremely undervalued, and then went to extreme over valuations in early 2000. We are still in the area of overvaluation here, and earning will have to grow by quite a lot to justify current valuations. You got to accept the fact that we are only in the third inning of this secular bear market, which will, eventually, bring stocks to extreme under valuations. That will happen after most people will be so disgusted thoroughly with the market that they are going to throw in the towel, the bottom of the secular bear will not be a "bang" with 5 or more GNT's, it will be a whisper with months on months of puny volume, a stretch of possibly a week at the end, when not a single issue register a new 52 weeks high (in August 1982, we had about 2 weeks where not a single issue registered a new high on the NYSE). Get this into your mind, the economy has less to do with stock prices than valuations, market psychology and liquidity. My advice, don't look for multi baggers, these will be rare and far in between in the next few years, anytime you can grab a 50% plus move in a stock, consider yourself fortunate and take it.

Zeev



To: limtex who wrote (91892)7/6/2002 2:06:04 PM
From: Cactus Jack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 99280
 
limtex,

John Templeton said last year that the bear should last about half as long as the bull, and he saw the bull running from 1982-2000.

FWIW,

jpgill



To: limtex who wrote (91892)7/6/2002 4:09:17 PM
From: LTK007  Respond to of 99280
 
Buffet goes out his way to EDUCATE people that the market does NOT follow economic recovery and those who believe that are in for a bad surprise.
He explains all this in a classic article in Fortune Magazine issue. . Max