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To: AC Flyer who wrote (20823)	7/7/2002 1:52:13 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Gidday ACF. Reprinted here for ease of reference, using my fast, modern, ADSL, 80211 hot-stuff notebook computer while lying on the couch, is your post, so that it doesn't require metres of scrolling: <From: AC Flyer Saturday, Jul 6, 2002 1:28 PM Respond to of 20848 Hi Mq: >>How many children have been tortured to death and where are their parents and relatives? I can imagine instances of that, but I doubt that it's a regular feature of Iraqi investigations of suspicious people. Neither do I believe that dead children are 'tossed' into Iraqi government freezers. Probably, as in NZ, the children are put in cold storage and parents are not allowed to have the bodies until investigators have completed their dissections and consideration of the possibility of foul play.<< You're a good guy so I'll go easy on the sarcasm. What I wrote was the literal truth. Saddam has a full-time staff of interrogators who routinely use the "torture the children" trick. You don't hear much about it because the parents also mostly wind up dead some time later. The frozen babies thing is also literally true. Saddam holds regular events where dead infants are paraded through the streets of Baghdad. The idea is that this shows how US and UN sanctions are killing Iraqi civilians. The liberal Western media usually reports this Iraqi propaganda, which vastly overstates the number of infant deaths, as fact. What is actually happening is that Saddam collects these sad little bodies from all over Iraq, holding them in freezers for months until a sufficient number have been collected. I'm down at the beach on an old, slow computer. I'll post supporting links when I get home. The New York Times reported an outline of the Iraq invasion plan on Friday. This is of course a deliberate leak, designed to test American and potential allied reaction. Also to pass the message of what is coming to Saddam. The invasion will apparently be sometime next year, unless of course Saddam drops his shorts in the meantime. I am sure that there are many Iraqi survivors of the Gulf war who have spread the word that when you try and fight the Americans in the Iraqi desert you die before you see or hear what has just killed you. This will do nothing for the morale of Iraqi forces who will surrender en masse before a shot is fired next time around. I for one can not wait to see Saddam's burned and bullet-riddled body, or better still, Saddam shackled in an orange jump suit with his mustache shaved off by a sympathetic federal employee.> I like to take accusations of child torture and the like with a grain of salt because such stuff is so abhorrent to nearly all humans. However, I'm well aware that certain people including those who get to be leaders of Nazis and the likes of Saddam draw no distinctions - all are grist to their mill. Hence, the Nazis and Japanese conducted cruel and fatal 'medical' and other experiments on children and anyone else they felt like. So I would not be in the least surprised to find that Saddam has arranged for child torture to elicit information or compliance with his demands. His philosophical foundations seem to be similar to Adolf's and other 'rule by absolute power' proponents. Re the proposed war against Saddam, Uday and gang, I expect that the average Iraqi soldier will react much like the Italian soldiers in WWII when they enthusiastically surrendered and were very compliant and congenial prisoners of war. The German prisoners required much closer supervision - one guard could not manage 100s of German prisoners as could be done with Italians, who wanted only to get home to wife and family and a pleasant and happy life. The average Iraqi will want to be rid of Saddam, rid of sanctions, free of military disaster and keep their skin intact. They will surrender in exchange for an allied uniform and US$100 pay in advance [just leave a few notes in the pockets of the uniforms]. There will be a queue hundreds of kilometres long as Iraqi soldiers and police convert to the winning side and get a place in the new administration. Saddam has managed to sideline Arafat by funding continued attacks in Israel by suicide bombers, but he has not been able to get worldwide Moslem support against the coming onslaught, partly because Israel has had such a restrained approach to reprisals. Matter and antimatter - inside or outside the event horizon. Iraqi soldiers and police will act quickly to be on the right side of the wave functions as they surge across Iraq. The message will not be traveling on phragmented photons, but word of mouth can travel pretty quickly. Within a few years, Iraqis will enjoy communicating via CDMA and cyberspace. Peace, light and harmony will spread around the world. Mqurice PS: Saddam will of course kill the children/wives/parents of any soldier who deserts - so the poor soldiers will hope for a very quick victory for the New Uniforms, but without being seen to be deserting. The USA would do well to avoid killing as few as necessary to allow the surge across Iraq - forcing them to fight would not be wise, but I expect the USA military is capable of figuring that out. Saddam will no doubt have a major threat to make should Baghdad be threatened with invasion. I doubt you'll see him taken prisoner. He'll take down as much as possible with him. I doubt he inspires great, or much, loyalty among his troops - he's killed too many for that.