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To: Dan3 who wrote (167521)	7/7/2002 6:49:02 PM
From: NITT	Respond to of 186894

re:"Itanium Speculation" Yes there will be thermal challenges with Itanium and all future high speed, high transistor count devices, but I think you over state the challenges for Intel. It's more likely that they stuck with .18u because they could meet performance targets with it, and they wanted to avoid adding more variables then needed to the Itanium II. This has been Intel's way of getting things done for years. Remember they have design teams already well on their way with next versions and I'm sure they are getting a lot of design rule feedback from the Pentium. I have more faith in Intel's ability to meet the heat challenge then I do in any of the competition. And it appears that IBM, HP and others do to. Dell is waiting for their kind of volume and will let others do the heavy lift. Nitt

To: Dan3 who wrote (167521)	7/7/2002 7:52:49 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Dan, Re: "The Itanium II appears to be a chip design with some problems." Dan3, you never cease to amaze me. You are still singing the ol' "Itanic is gonna sink" song that has gotten oh, so old. "Itanic 2 will be a dog at running 'real world' applications." "Itanic 2 will cost way too much to produce." "Itanic 2 will have no one supporting it with software or hardware." And now, "Itanic 2 is on too old of a manufacturing process." Now that you've been proved wrong on all your other "speculation", it appears that you are still eager to throw a bunch of mud, and see what sticks. Re: "An obvious part of the problem is due to it being made on Intel's old .18 Aluminum process" Seems to be the only problem that you focused on in your rant. Not to worry, though, since .13u parts will be arriving early next year, along with .09u parts in 2004. Seems Intel has a row of new process improvements to introduce to the Itanium core, and they don't need SOI to do it. Itanium 2 already outperforms IBM's SOI based Power4 chip, both in performance, and power, in many applications. I think it's pretty obvious that your "concerns" will be unfounded, and given AMD's current execution, Intel might even have a .09u Itanium before AMD introduces a .09u Hammer. But there is some hope for AMD; they can try and contract out a .09u Hammer to one of Intel's more advanced FABs.... <VVVBG> wbmw