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To: LindyBill who wrote (34641)	7/18/2002 11:42:13 PM
From: Tony McFadden	Respond to of 281500

I have not heard of any punishment in their society for this behavior. Sorry to intrude, but in Afghanistan, under the Taliban, the punishment for homosexuality was to be crushed under a wall. Doubt that there is a verse in the Koran that supports this, but I haven't read it in it's entirety.

To: LindyBill who wrote (34641)	7/19/2002 10:07:43 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There does seem to be a relationship between Islamic societies and sex with boys. Even though Islam condemns homosexuality officially, I think there is a question with how homosexuality is defined - whether the aggressive partner is homosexual. The sort of mindset found in prisons. FWIW The Koran promises it's believers not just virginal houris in paradise but also boys "of perpetual freshness" without stating explicitly what the boys are for. angelfire.com YOUNG BOYS Are young boys to please the homosexuals or women among Mohammad's followers? Mohammad promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls. The relevant verses from the Koran are: Koran 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded. Koran 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness. Koran 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls. As mentioned in my previous article, famous poets in Arabia glorified homosexuality. As an example I am including a poem in 'Perfumed Garden' by Abu Nuwas: O the joy of sodomy! So now be sodomites, you Arabs. Turn not away from it-- therein is wondrous pleasure. Take some coy lad with kiss-curls twisting on his temple and ride as he stands like some gazelle standing to her mate. A lad whom all can see girt with sword and belt not like your whore who has to go veiled. Make for smooth-faced boys and do your very best to mount them, for women are the mounts of the devils I don't think it's good to raise boys in a sexually segregated environment like traditional Moslem societies are. Don't English boarding schools also have a reputation for producing homosexuals? While not every kid raised like this turns out gay, I think a higher percentage do. Something tells me I'm gonna get some negative feedback about this post.

To: LindyBill who wrote (34641)	7/19/2002 5:33:34 PM
From: LLLefty	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>>I think I will do a little research<<<< Yes, the Koran does forbid homosexuality but unfortunately, Drs. Kinsey, Masters et al have been unable to carry out research in Arab lands. But several Western and Arab cultural anthropologists have taken a crack at it and, if you want to pursue it, I suggest Rafael Palai. He devotes a a chapter in his "The Arab Mind" to public and private attitudes and practices toward sex which I don't think you'll find in any Said's writings. Actually, having lived in both the ME and India, I find that many of the sexual inhibitions in both countries were somewhat similar--until India began to break loose in the 70s. Just think: India has its Kama Sutra and Kujaraho (sp?) and the Arabs have "Thousand and One Nights" of explicit tales but both--Arabia still--were uptight on the subject. India is modernizing; the Islamic world hasn't yet started except for its Princes and jet setters. At least, as best I know, female circumcision was not a common practice in India. One little anecdote: Some 25 years ago,I worked in an office in London across the street from a five-star hotel that catered to the richest of the rickest Gulf families. Every afternoon, three young women would return to their room from shopping, doff their little masks and burquas, get into a pair of jeans and stand by the window topless. They'd wave to me and I'd smile back. If I hadn't read Pilai, I might have misinterprted it.