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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (643)	7/21/2002 8:48:42 AM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Chinu, The leadership of the Palestinians have consistently made clear when speaking in their native tongue, that they don't want peace with Israel. Their goal is to destroy Israel. This is what Congressman Jack Kemp, Secretary of Education Bill Bennett, and UN Ambassador Jeanne Kirkpatrick have written about the topic: Yasir Arafat has never been less than clear about his goals-at least not in Arabic. On the very day that he signed the Oslo accords in 1993--in which he promised to renounce terrorism and recognize Israel--he addressed the Palestinian people on Jordanian television and declared that he had taken the first step "in the 1974 plan." This was a thinly-veiled reference to the "phased plan," according to which any territorial gain was acceptable as a means toward the ultimate goal of Israel's destruction. · The recently deceased Faisal al-Husseini, a leading Palestinian spokesman, made the same point in 2001 when he declared that the West Bank and Gaza represented only "22 percent of Palestine" and that the Oslo process was a "Trojan horse." He explained, "When we are asking all the Palestinian forces and factions to look at the Oslo Agreement and at other agreements as 'temporary' procedures, or phased goals, this means that we are ambushing the Israelis and cheating them." The goal, he continued, was "the liberation of Palestine from the river to the sea," i.e., the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea-all of Israel. · To this day, the Fatah wing of the PLO (the "moderate" wing that was founded and is controlled by Arafat himself) has as its official emblem the entire state of Israel covered by two rifles and a hand grenade--another fact that belies the claim that Arafat desires nothing more than the West Bank and Gaza. empoweramerica.org It would be incredibly irresponsible for the Israeli government to ignore this information, and allow their people to become victims of genocide. Why the UN, EU and most of the world press chooses to ignore this information, is one of the great questions we all need to face.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (643)	7/21/2002 9:30:08 AM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 3959

Israel does not wish to create more problems for itself by the adoption of the Saudi plan. According to the plan, Israel is to withdraw its troops from occupied Palestinian territories, but the agreement the Arab world is going to sign is of no considerable value, as it can be easily broken any moment. Then, Israel will face a problem: the Arab world with its 300 million people in number versus Israel’s five million population. In Sharon’s words, Israel “may easily destroy the whole of the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure during a large-scale operation, but should realize what consequences it may bring.” google.com

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (643)	7/21/2002 10:02:04 AM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 3959

Examination of the Absurd flash.net

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (643)	7/21/2002 2:25:06 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 3959

Blantant disregard for accuracy does not advance the cause of peace and justice! I expect this of zealous Zionists, but not from men who are fair minded and seek justice. "How can you expect the Palestinians to get world sympathy when all their leaders have said anything but violence?" Have you heard of the Saudi Plan, a plan approved by America, Europe, Russia, the UN and the Palestinian Authority? Arafat and the PA have repeatedly called for independent American observers to monitor the conflict. Israel refuses! Arafat and the PA have repeastedly called for an American military force in a buffer between the Palestinian territories and Israel. Israel refuses! Israel has an agenda--occupation and settlements until they can declare their master plan of annexation. The Saudi Plan, which was approved by the PA, gives Israel full recognition by all their Arab neighbors, secure borders, the power of the Arab governments working against the Islamic terrorists, YET Israel rejects it! Who is pushing who into the sea? Israel pretends that she wants precisely what she was offered by Saudi Arabia, the PA and the entire Arab League, but when the offered was made official, she rejects! Israel is playing a deception game for the world community. What Israel really wants is ALL Palestiinian land for their diabolical dream of a Greater Israel--an illegal nuclear state based upon the Nazi concept of race and blood! I appreciated your comments but found them neither helpful nor accurate because they merely reflected the politically correct opinions imposed upon America by the Jewish-American monopoly over our media. As for your opinions on the history of Indians and African Americans, I prefer to leave this subject for another time and concentrate on the most important issue facing American foreign policy today--the Palestinian-Israeli conflict! I will, however, end by saying: a wrong + a wrong never equals a right!

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (643)	7/22/2002 3:45:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 3959

Re: They had no hatred for either the British colonialist or the American masters of slaves. They did not consider martyrdom as strapping bombs and killing innocents. And they were finally rewarded by the world community. They finally succeeded in achieving their goal through the efforts of the world community. Huh?! Do you include Native Americans in your "They"? A few casino reservations is all the Natives --that is, the surviving ones-- were eventually granted... Besides, I don't think the American story is equivalent to the Israeli's. I believe the former is tantamount to a large-scale transhumance (of European peoples across the Atlantic into South and North America) whereas Israel is basically a colonialist experiment... on a much smaller scale. I think several historians/sociologists have pointed out that demographics, mass-production economics and capitalism's division of labor, somehow, compelled the US ruling class into enfranchising African-Americans and, eventually, most minorities. In the aftermath of the Civil War, Northern states welcome the Negro workforce from the South while unions resented it as a way for employers to drive wages down.... Anyway, my point is that the American process involved a "scale factor" that doesn't apply to the Mideast, I mean, the Zionist state could remain FOREVER a segregationist, quasi-fascistic Dystopia. Hence it's delusive to brand the Israeli experiment as a mere replicate of the American saga. My 2 cents, Gus