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To: tejek who wrote (148609)	7/22/2002 12:13:40 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575775

Ted, <Americans were radicalized after the events of 9/11, meaning we are now radical in our views re terrorists and the ways to deal with them. ... However, I do not believe the suicide bomber is a radicalized Palestinian teenager but rather one borne from despair much like American teenage suicides.> So Americans are now "radicals," but not Palestinian suicide bombers? No offense, but I think that's a load of crap. Meanwhile, Hamas promises to "consider" stopping its homicides if Israel just picks up and leaves: story.news.yahoo.com Speaking of which, have you seen the photo of Hamas' "spiritual leader," Sheikh Ahmed Yassin? The guy looks like Darth Tyranus from Star Wars: Episode II. Tenchusatsu

To: tejek who wrote (148609)	7/22/2002 1:08:07 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575775

Tim, I did not exaggerate the facts Some of what is a matter of interpretation is presented as fact, but the Palestinians would see the facts that way and at least in most of the cases it would not be totally irrational to see things that way. One time, one of their soldiers allowed the massacre of thousands in one of your camps This is not certain, that's why I called it an exaggeration. and his people brought him to trial and found him guilty. He wasn't found guilty of any crime. He was found to be responsible for failing to anticipate and prevent the massacre. Also in general the post makes it looks like the Israeli occupation is uniquely oppressive when actually it is normally less oppressive then many of the Arab governments. The Palestinians are probably less respectful of the rights of other Palestinians then the Israelis are. A vague hint that someone might be a "collaborator" might cause them to be torn to pieces often without a trial, and when there is a trial it doesn't make much difference. If anyone tried to resist violently in Iraq, or Iran, or even places like Saudi, Egypt, and Jordan, they would be treated far worse then what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians. For that matter the Israelis didn't put the Palestinians in refugee camps the Arabs did. However, I do not believe the suicide bomber is a radicalized Palestinian teenager but rather one borne from despair much like American teenage suicides. Sure they feel despair, but if you plan and prepare for a terrorist act and then carry it out you are also "a radical" whether or not you are primarily acting out of despair. Also I was not just talking about the bombers but also those who train and lead them. I submit that they are more "radical" then they are full of despair. they are too young to fully understand the politics of hate The young can hate as much as anyone else, and they can understand the simple radical ideas of Islamic fundamentalism or secular Palestinian nationalist thought. But I believe we need to stop judging and condemning these suicide bombers. I completely disagree. I think accepting them (refusing to judge or condemn them) would be unjust, and would be a mistake. Instead, we need to focus our energies on understanding the cause of these suicides so that we can prevent them in the future. Understanding causes is great but responding to them with concessions only encourages more of them. Tim