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To: Joe NYC who wrote (85760)	7/25/2002 1:15:01 AM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 275872

Joe, Re: "The way I see it is that (ignoring Linux for the moment) there is a huge hurdle to overcome, which is to get Windows x86-64 released, which will get things moving." What makes you so sure that Microsoft will release a client version of Windows for x86-64? I believe they've only committed to a version of .NET server. The next client Windows release isn't until late 2004, and they aren't likely to release anything out of cycle. Re: "I think Opteron will have excellent database performance, as good or better than Itanium 2, without the baggage of IA-64." I think you have that backwards. IA-64 is supposed to be a 64-bit ISA without the "baggage" of x86. IA-64 itself was developed to be far more powerful than traditional architectures. That is, unless, you are expressing your own honest opinion, but that may not count for anything outside of yourself. Also, are you comparing Hammer to the .13u version of Itanium 2, on schedule to be launched around the same time? Re: " Intel will need to have an answer to 64 bit desktop within 2 years" Not based on your logic. Unlike AMD's 32-bit processors, Intel's can address up to 64GB of memory, and there server products have been capable of >4GB for years already. wbmw

To: Joe NYC who wrote (85760)	7/25/2002 1:25:26 AM
From: David Pletcher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

I certainly hope someone at AMD has the sense to seed the other major open-source OS producers (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD) with free Hammer machines ASAP! They should also seed the developers of MySQL and PostgreSQL with proto-machines in order to prime the market for Hammer acceptance.

To: Joe NYC who wrote (85760)	7/25/2002 1:32:22 AM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Re: they are already talking about 4 GB barrier It's really more of 2 to 3.5 gigabyte barrier. Windows reserves 1/2 the address space for the OS, limiting each application to 2 gig. You can get by that by running multiple instances or apps (well, some applications benefit from it, anyway), but you still lose about a 1/2 gig of physical addresses to devices - drivers for which were written with the assumption that there was plenty of address space available. There's really not much of a point in getting more than 3 to 3.5 gig of RAM in an X86-32 machine. For most applications, 2 gig is all that will really be used. Any machine that is expected to be useful for the next 4-5 years (which seems to be the new length of the upgrade cycle) should be a 64-bit machine.