To: Neocon who wrote (283910 ) 8/5/2002 2:01:23 PM From: DuckTapeSunroof Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667 Re: " The policies did a splendid job of advancing American interests. In supporting the Shah, we prevented an oil rich state bordering the Soviet Union from becoming a client state of the Soviets. In supporting Saddam against Iran, we prevented Iran from becoming the regional hegemon, and/or plunging the region further into war, as Iran has designs on Mecca and Medinah. In pursuing Desert Storm, we rebuffed aggression; curtailed, to some extent, Iraq's abiility to pursue its military goals (such as the creation of weapons of mass destruction); and enhanced our credibility as a super-power. It is idle to argue that not all problems are resolved by each conflict, when the immediate goals are achieved......." >>> Despite all the lumber you are chopping, you just can't see the forest. Most of these actions we took HARMED America's true national interests because they didn't advance our real needs to promote democratic governance, free markets, trade, security, and peace, and came back to bite us in the ass. >>> Supporting the Shah *helped us*? Ha! Don't make me laugh! When we overturned the results of the first democratic election in Iran (in the '50s) and restored a tyrant to the throne... we set ourselves up for decades of trouble. >>> Furthermore, if we had *stayed out* or the Iraq/Iran conflict (not sold stingers to Iran, nor helicopters and munitions to Iraq) then the results would have likely been much more favorable to US interests. >>> The only 'splendid job' our naive and short-sighted policies did was to shoot ourselves in the foot. We are still cleaning up the mess, and likely will have to go to war at least one more time - maybe more - to repair the damage our own actions encouraged. >>> Talk about "Innocents Abroad"!