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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (283951)	8/5/2002 2:47:31 PM
From: Rock_nj	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 769669

The problem that most political hacks (many conservative) have out there is that they don't see the big picture and how the U.S. really relates to the world. Follow the money!!! From the crushing of budding Iranian democracy in the early 1950s and the support of the brutal regime of the Shah of Iran to the crushing of century old democracy in Chile in the 1973 and the support of the brutal regime of Pinochet. The U.S. is NOT interested in fostering democracy. The U.S. is interested in forcing economic homogeny on the world through any means necessary, including the displacement of democractly elected governments with brutal dictators as noted above. So, American wealthy elites can profit from the world's resources. The U.S. government (especially the military and CIA) are just vehicles used by powerful wealthy persons and corporations to get their way around the world. Forget about all the other analysis, it's just noise. The U.S. government acts when the rich and powerful's economic interests are at stake as they were in Iran in the early 1950s and Chile in the early 1970s. That's how the world works. All this other nonsense about patriotism and morality is just hot air. Money talks!

To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (283951)	8/5/2002 2:50:29 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769669

There has not been a war between the Arab states and Israel in 30 years, and there have been actual treaties signed between Israel and Egypt, on the one side, and Israel and Jordan on the other. Iran is showing signs of moderating, and Iraq has so far been checked in its regional aspirations. Lebanon has become more stable, compared to the '80s. There is no special reason to think we could have installed and supported democratic regimes in the region. Indeed, those regimes that are democratic or quasi- democratic, such as Turkey and Algeria, have had to become impure in order to forestall wins by fundamentalist parties that would have thrown out the constitutional order. It is speculative whether we have made things worse or better, I suppose, but I do know that citing ongoing problems in the region proves nothing about the efficacy of earlier interventions........